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On 08.06.2010 08:50, Ruslan Nikolaev wrote:

Maybe "lousy" is too strong a word, but aside from
compatibility with other
libs/software that use it (which I'll address separately),
UTF-16 is not
particularly useful compared to UTF-8 and UTF-32:
...


I tried to avoid commenting this because I am afraid we'll stray away from the main point 
(which is not discussion about which Unicode is better). But in short I would say: 
"Not quite right". UTF-16 as already mentioned is generally faster for 
non-Latin letters (as reading 2 bytes of aligned data takes the same time as reading 1 
byte). Although, I am not familiar with Asian languages, I believe that UTF-16 requires 
just 2 bytes instead of 3 for most of symbols. That is one of the reason they don't like 
UTF-8. UTF-32 doesn't have any advantage except for being fixed length. It has a lot of 
unnecessary memory, cache, etc. overhead (the worst case scenario for both UTF8/16) which 
is not justified for any language.


First of all, it's not exactly unheard of for big projects
to make a
sub-optimal decision.

I would say, the decision was quite optimal for many reasons, including that "lousy 
programming" will not cause too many problems as in case of UTF-8.


Secondly, Java and Windows adapted 16-bit encodings back
when many people
were still under the mistaken impression that would allow
them to hold any
character in one code-unit. If that had been true, then it

I doubt that it was the only reason. UTF-8 was already available before Windows 
NT was released. It would be much easier to use UTF-8 instead of ANSI as 
opposed to creating parallel API. Nonetheless, UTF-16 has been chosen. In 
addition, C# has been released already when UTF-16 became variable length. I 
doubt that conversion overhead (which is small compared to VM) was the main 
reason to preserve UTF-16.


Concerning why I say that it's good to have conversion to UTF-32 (you asked 
somewhere):

I think you did not understand correctly what I meant. This a very common 
practice, and in fact - required, to convert from both UTF-8 and UTF-16 to 
UTF-32 when you need to do character analysis (e.g. mbtowc() in C). In fact, it 
is the only place where UTF-32 is commonly used and useful.





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