Tue, 05 Oct 2010 15:49:59 +0100, Bruno Medeiros wrote: > On 02/10/2010 15:13, retard wrote: >> Fri, 01 Oct 2010 14:53:04 +0100, Bruno Medeiros wrote: >> >>> On 20/08/2010 22:37, Nick Sabalausky wrote: >>>> "retard"<r...@tard.com.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:i4mrss$ca...@digitalmars.com... >>>>> Fri, 20 Aug 2010 19:04:41 +0200, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What are these Java programs for the desktop that run fast? I >>>>>> haven't encountered any, but maybe that's just because I didn't try >>>>>> them all out. Eclipse takes at least 20 seconds to load on startup >>>>>> on my quad core, that's not very fast. On the other hand, >>>>>> CodeBlocks which is coded in C++ and has a few dozen plugins >>>>>> installed runs in an instant. >>>>> >>>>> Now that's a fair comparison! "Crysis runs so slowly but a hello >>>>> world written in Go is SO fast. This must prove that Go is much >>>>> faster than C+ +!" >>>>> >>>>> I think CodeBlocks is one of the most lightweight IDEs out there. >>>>> Does it even have full semantic autocompletion? Eclipse, on the >>>>> other hand, comes with almost everything you can imagine. If you >>>>> turn off the syntax check, Eclipse works just as fast as any native >>>>> application on a modern desktop. >>>> >>>> I've tried eclipse with the fancy stuff off, and it's still slower >>>> than C::B or PN2 for me. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> All these comments about Eclipse takes this time to load, or Eclipse >>> is slow when used, etc., are really meaningless unless you tell us >>> something about what actual plugins and features are installed and >>> used. >>> >>> Unlike CodeBlocks which is "a free C++ IDE", Eclipse proper is the >>> Eclipse Platform, which is a platform (duh) and doesn't do anything >>> useful by itself. Particularly since there is not even a >>> standard/single "Eclipse" download: http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ >>> , unlike Codeblocks. The days were JDT would be the main thing 95% of >>> Eclipse users would use are long gone. >>> >>> So are you using JDT, CDT, Descent, something else? If JDT, do you >>> have extra tools, like the J2EE Web Tools? (these add massive bloat) >>> What about source control plugins, or plugins not provided by the >>> Eclipse Foundation, etc? All of these are a wildcard that can affect >>> performance. For example, I definitely note that sometimes my >>> workspace chokes when I do certain SVN or file related operations >>> (with Subclipse btw, not Subversive). >>> I also noted, when Eclipse 3.6 came out, some sluggishness when >>> working with JDT, even when just typing code (in this case it was very >>> subtle, almost imperceptible, but I still felt it and it was quite >>> annoying). I suspected not JDT, but Mylyn, so I uninstalled it, and >>> now things are back to normal. (there might be a fix or workaround for >>> that issue in Mylyn, but since I don't use it, I didn't bother) >>> >>> I would definitely be quite annoying if Eclipse was not responsive for >>> the vast majority of coding tasks. >>> >>> As for startup time, I hardly care anything about that : >>> http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/ >> Re_Eclipse_startup_time_Was_questions_on_PhanTango_merger_was_Merging_Tangobos_into_Tango_60160.html#N60346 >>> (except when I'm doing PDE development, but that's a different thing) >> >> Back then the unhappy user was using a 1 GHz Pentium M notebook. I >> tried this again. Guess what, the latest Eclipse Helios (3.6.1) took >> 3.5 (!!!) seconds to start up the whole Java workspace, open few >> projects and fully initialize the editors etc for the most active >> project. Has the original complainer ever used Photoshop, CorelDraw, >> AutoCad, Maya/3DSMax, Maple/ MathCad/Mathematica, or some other Real >> World Programs (tm)? These are all fucking slow. That's how it is: If >> you need to get the job done, you must use slow programs. >> >> > I'm sure that the people who downright refuse to use Eclipse because it > loads too slow use some other program for media development. Maybe its > MS Paint (or a Linux equivalent) because it loads so fast! Or maybe its > a vi/emacs plugin for image manipulation or 3D modelling. ;)
Well Don mentioned that he had used ALL of those programs and since no complaints about the slow loading times of those programs were mentioned, I assume all of them (the latest versions, of course) start in less than 3.5 seconds. I pondered this a bit and am now willing to buy Don's magic computer. I really do have need for a laptop that can launch those applications in less than 3.5 seconds.