On Monday, 1 October 2012 at 16:44:34 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
On Monday, October 01, 2012 17:38:42 foobar wrote:
> P.S. #1 reason to hate languages which don't use braces:
> there's no way in vim
> to hop to the beginning or end of a scope block (or function)
> from the other
> end. And _man_ is that annoying. God bless braces.
That would be an issue with your editor of choice not the
languages in question - I'm sure there are more suitable
editors/IDEs for such languages which are indent aware (as well
as scripts that add that functionality for vim).
It's built in to be able to hop between matching parens and
braces and
whatnot. Indention just doesn't work with that. You'd have to
something
completely different to be able to hop around in a lanugage
without braces.
And I'd rather have an editor that can do everything that vim
can do than use
a glorified notepad like most IDEs are. Most programmers don't
use their
keyboard to navigate through code because their editors are too
primitive to
do it.
I have _nothing_ good to say about languages which choose to be
indentation-
sensitive, completely aside from editor issues. It's just that
the editor
issues made it so that instead of just not liking the idea, I
now absolutely
hate it.
- Jonathan M Davis
As I commented else-thread, I don't like indentation-sensitive
languages either.
Regarding the editor issue, I too prefer vim in the "text-editor"
category but I consider it unfit for anything more than scripts
and small C programs. For starters, the keyboard shortcuts are
indeed highly optimized - for a right-handed person. Being a
hard-core lefty, I truly hate the defaults on almost all software
and going about changing those in vim is unintuitive and truly
annoying.
I prefer IDE's (e.g. Eclipse) code navigation features. For
starters they don't have that horrible notion of ijkl for arrows
which my fingers (on my right hand!) will never be able to learn,
nor do I need to count words, lines, letters, etc to do useful
stuff. So it all boils to that famous saying - YMMV.
