The Winlink 2000 team spokesperson has found improper user of the
Winlink 2000 system and those users have been banned from the system.
This is exactly the same as the issues with VHF packet radio BBS
systems. The regulations apply in the same way. The hams running the
system need to do some spot checking to find if anyone is abusing the
system. If they do, the system owners are held harmless from the
infraction by the user, but they are obligated to stop the activity.
Your claim that:
"Let's just acknowledge the reality that this is a moneymaking
enterprise first and it may or may not be the best choice
for emergency comms and may or may not be healthy for the
hobby"
indicated to me that you were claiming the Winlink 2000 product as a
moneymaking enterprise. Otherwise you need to be a lot clearer on what
moneymaking enterprise you are talking about. The users are not the
people who run the system.
What do you mean by claiming:
" Those who are *selling* the software and *selling* the hardware
have filed public financial reports demonstrating that they make
no profit?
That would indeed be news as it is the software and hardware
vendors and not the users to which my post clearly referred,
in context."
What software are you referring to? The Winlink 2000 group does not sell
any software. Most is proprietary and held by them to run the system.
The software that they share with the users of the system has alway been
free.
Hardware has no connection with Winlink 2000 since it is a proprietary
product from a single source foreign company. Historically Aplink used
Amtor (various vendors hardware and no connection with Aplink) and later
Winlink used Pactor I and Clover II (various vendors hardware and no
connection with Winlink)
In more recent times, Winlink 2000 abandoned Clover II and stayed with
Pactor modes I, II, and III since they found Pactor performed better
than Clover II.
Doc, you seem to not understand that SCAMP is Winlink 2000 development
as well. They are trying to come up with a replacement for Pactor but it
is very challenging to do this with a sound card mode and have the kinds
of speeds that Pactor has.
73,
Rick, KV9U
kd4e wrote:
> > Even though it has been said before, based on the comment below, it
> > needs to be said again ... Winlink and Winlink 2000 and any other
> > similar systems used on amateur radio ... do NOT have commecial
> value to
> > those running such systems.
>
> It is unknown if *users* are misusing Ham spectrum for
> profitmaking business enterprises or for other non-Ham
> purposes because so few are able to monitor the traffic
> and so many of the operators hide their callsigns.
>
> > When anyone makes such claims, they lose much of their credibility.
>
> That claim was not made by me so the charge has no credence.
>
> > The absolute fact is that those who have run these systems, and until
> > recently that was mostly the same handful of people over the last
> couple
> > of decades, they put in tremendous resources in time and materials to
> > run these systems and develop the software.
> >
> > They make NO money in ANY way. In fact it is the complete opposite.
>
> No one has said that the *users* are in it for profit.
>
> > Currently, the Winlink 2000 group is attempting to develop sound card
> > software to AVOID using the proprietary Pactor mode which hopefully
> will
> > someday become obsolete. But at this time, the Pactor II and III modes
> > have the advantage with very high speeds with good signals and fairly
> > good speeds with lessor signals due to their adaptability within their
> > channel space.
>
> Those who are *selling* the software and *selling* the hardware
> have filed public financial reports demonstrating that they make
> no profit?
>
> That would indeed be news as it is the software and hardware
> vendors and not the users to which my post clearly referred,
> in context.
>
> The question of superior performance is still in play
> and the paucity of presence of the proprietary hardware
> and software makes the mode of minimal usefulness with
> little redundancy in times of greatest need.
>
> We need a robust mode in the hands of a large percentage
> of Hams if we are to have a reasonable probability of
> deployable resources where and when most needed.
>
> Winlink is not that mode. If it will become such after the
> costly proprietary hardware and software are eliminated
> from the equation is yet to be seen.
>
> Many alternatives such as SCAMP and others are pressing
> hard at Winlink's heels.
>
> --
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> Thanks! & 73, doc kd4e
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