Hola Jose,

I think that Paul, K9PS attempted to do this at one time, but was not 
able to finish it. He has developed ARQ criteria that was the used to 
help develop PSKmail. I thought that MT-63 could handle multi-path quite 
well, but I still prefer MFSK16 for difficult conditions.

While I can understand the reason for moving most of the messaging to 
the internet due to the congestion we would otherwise have with HF 
forwarding. We still need some kind of HF forwarding for emergency use 
when other systems are not operational. It seems to me that it must have 
a full character set.

And in order to insure that such systems are in place at all times for 
the inevitable emergency, it also has to have some kind of practical use 
or it won't be ready when you need it the most.

73,

Rick, KV9U



Jose Amador wrote:

>--- Patrick Lindecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>Hello Rick,
>>
>>TKS for info. Perhaps, next year I will see if it is
>>possible to carry a synchronous ARQ mode (perhaps
>>Pactor 1 forced to 100 bauds) in Multipsk, under a
>>big PC XP. 
>>
>>73
>>Patrick
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>
>I know that somebody I cannot remember is working on a
>
>wrapper for MT63 as layer one.
>
>On my tests on 40 meters, seemingly MT63 does not
>stand the multipath on the lower bands. On 20 it works
>great.
>
>Maybe some Olivia variant could be good with a wrapper
>for the lower bands. Olivis is rugged, but
>sloooowww...
>Nevertheless, my KPC-2 received many packets on 40 m
>that it could not decode....the LEDs blinked and the
>TNC output was nil on 40 at 300 bauds. A slow, steady
>flow is far better than a quicker signalling rate with
>many failed frames.
>
>I see a need for substitute Layer One alternatives.
>
>Really, the performance of Layer One established in
>1982 sucks, a single failed bit trashes a frame. 
>
>For some time Pactor and its variants has been a good
>substitute, but the high costs of the SCS boxes makes
>them unaffordable for many. Forwarding thruput is 10
>times better, and even quasi-QRP operation (25 watts)
>becomes a workable option.
>
>After some time away from packet, I find that activity
>is inexistent. I don't know if a better Layer One
>could revive HF forwarding, but certainly, better
>alternatives are required for FBB and JNOS. I have
>been a BBS sysop since 1993.
>
>I tried a keyboard to keyboard QSO using PAX and it
>did better than 300 baud packet on 40 meters using
>Multipsk. I believe that some sort of a driver for FBB
>and JNOS would be a good thing, both for Windows and
>Linux....maybe even MSDOS...you don't need much of a
>computer to run a fairly decent radio only BBS under
>MSDOS...we have one here in Havana.
>
>Possibly many BBS's are doing internet forwarding
>among them, but that is not an option for many BBS's
>without an internet link. The revival of HF forwarding
>would be a good thing on those less fortunate cases.
>
>Jose, CO2JA
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