>>>AA6YQ comments below

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Bradley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>snip<

By your own admission, your operating experience with digital modes 
has not progressed beyond PSK31.  

>>>What arrogance. So the VE5MU figure of merit ranks PSK31 at the 
bottom? How then do you explain the complete lack of broadscale 
adoption of digital modes other than PSK31 or RTTY? Given the wide 
array of free soundcard software available, there is zero switching 
cost; hams are naturally inquisitive, and can easily download any of 
several free soundcard applications to run Olivia, Dominio, ALE, or 
whatever new flavor of the month that Patrick F6CTE has concocted. 
The development of new modulation techniques and protocols is useful 
and important, and may some day bear fruit. But so far, no one has 
developed a protocol sufficiently better than PSK or RTTY to 
instigate any significant migration. Might these new modes be better 
than PSK or RTTY in one or two interesting dimensions; sure, but then 
they're either too difficult to tune, or consume too much spectrum, 
or don't work unless the SNR is unrealisticly good. I and many others 
who have listened to MFSK, MT-63, Throb, and Hell QSOs found no 
reason to go further. Like anyone else, hams vote with their feet.


I challenge you to try some of these new modes, and I and others would
welcome your opinion of these new technologies. 

>>>I have, and just did.


At the same time would encourage you to put some of your considerable 
technical ability into developing  busy frequency software In 
cooperation with one of the authors, rather than simply complaining 
about it at every opportunity. 

>>>I have no interest in operating an automatic station, or 
connecting to an automated station to send messages. If others want 
to do this, that's fine as long as they follow the rule of common 
amateur courtesy and ensure that their equipment never transmits on 
already-occupied frequency. My "to do" list is full of wonderful 
suggestions from the DXLab community; that's where I'll be spending 
my time.
 
>>>When the "WinLink doesn't listen before transmitting" issue first 
exploded, I signed up Peter G3PLX and Bob N4HY to work with me on  
developing and implementing a new shared-channel message-passing HF 
protocol with busy frequency detection that WinLink could use instead 
of Pactor 3; Bob presented our thinking at a DCC a few years back, 
but the WinLink folks made it very clear that they would never move 
to anything not of their own design. Too bad, because Peter had some 
promising ideas for error detection/correction, and Bob was chomping 
at the bit to employ trellis coding. I then spent some time on the 
phone with Rick KN6KB, encouraging him to add busy detection to 
SCAMP. At the time, Rick feared that anything less than perfect 
performance would be unacceptable, but I helped persuade him that an 
80-20 solution would be an immense step forward. His first-cut 
implementation performed far better than either of us expected.

>>>My postings here are not complaints. They are rebuttals to bogus 
technical statements you and others continually make here in 
painfully transparent attempts to rationalize the use of unattended 
automated stations when such stations clearly violate a fundemental 
tenet of amateur radio: no one owns a frequency. These posts aren't 
targeted at you or your friends, John; that'd be a waste of time. 
They're aimed at newer hams who might not yet see your position for 
what it really is: a callous disregard for operators using modes that 
you consider unimportant.

    73,

        Dave, AA6YQ

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