Something that has long been unclear to me is how can we have all these 
modes that work far below zero db S/N and yet the Eb/No (energy per bit 
relative to noise) can theoretically not go much lower than between 1 
and 2 dB below zero dB according to the Shannon Limit?

Then you need to take the value of the baud rate and bandwidth of the 
signal into consideration and that ratio is multiplied against the 
Eb/No. Wouldn't that further raise the required S/N ratio?

We often see measurements of modes that work  -5, -10, even -15 dB S/N?  
What are they measuring if not something related to the Eb/No?

Pactor has proven the worth (necessity?) of using full time FEC and a 
moderate baud rate OFDM signal using PSK. Otherwise, you wouldn't you 
need some kind of training pulse sequence as used on the 8PSK 
MIL-STD/FED-STD/STANAG modems?

73,

Rick, KV9U


Vojtech Bubnik wrote:
>
> PSK31 bandwidth is much lower than of PSK100 that Pactor 2/3 utilizes.
> PSK100 will lock to a signal 100/31 times far mistuned than PSK31.
>
> Symbol length of PSK31 is 32msec, symbol length of PSK100 is 10msec. I
> would say that PSK31 will be oblivious to 2ms multipath, but I suppose
> the phase difference of both reflections will not be stable, causing
> phase modulation of the summed multipath signal, which PSK100 with
> convolutional code will be able to handle.
>
> 73, Vojtech OK1IAK
>
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