Pretty confusing indeed. As Jack says, you never know when someone will connect.
Have any of the proponents been a sysop? I guess they have not. <TIS> Software would have to be rewritten, so an incoming call rings a bell, turns on a lamp, awakens the dogs and let'em out, something that lets the sysop know his box is being called, listens between packets and authorizes the connection in a timely fashion. As far as I know, such a software has not been written, but would be interesting to hear about prospective programers to solve that problem for us. There are already at least two tasks to be done: A busy detector and a sysop awakener. Any volunteers to get the things well done? At least, an API with the calls and procedures is needed, in order to encourage other software developers to join the effort in a structured, well thought fashion. Also, a legal advice could be displayed, warning the sysop that any QRM originated by his allowance to answer a call can be used against him/her. Or keep on the fundamentalistic, taliban aproach: criticize, criticize, stir the pot, do nothing else and get such activity forbidden. This seems to be a LOT simpler. So far, as I see, only the taliban approach is showing any progress. </TIS> 73, Jose, CO2JA --- Jack Chomley escribió: > At 01:14 PM 1/17/2008, Danny wrote: > > > Jack. We on the other side see THAT as exactly the problem. Your > > mailbox sits there silent. Somone else gets on the freq and calls > > it. It comes up - and causes interference to someone else that is > > already using the freq (which you would have heard if you were > > physically sitting there operating). The origninal caller to you, > > because of propagation, did not hear the other ongoing QSO- but YOU > > would have. Therefore it is your transmitter that caused the > > interference. All quite easily taken care of if our software had a > > "busy signal" capability, and simply didnt respond to the other > > guy, while other signals were up and on the air. That software has > > been written, and from my understanding would be made available to > > the Pactor software people, if they would just accept it. If its > > been done, other software writers can do the same. > > > > Your mailbox needs to be controlled by YOU, not the other end, as > > long as there is no "busy signal" detection. > > > > Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD > > N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice) Pls QSL direct, > > buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload > > to eQSL for those who do. > > Well, even IF I am at the keyboard, I do not know IF someone is about > to connect.....until they do. When that happens, do I just switch > the box off? Yep, I could do that and the station at the other end > would scratch his head and wonder what is going on, like he connected > and next minute he is cut off by me. If it was me trying to > connect.....then I would keep trying, just like he would. Looking for > contacts in this hobby, is what its all about. I mean, this kind of > operation was done on HF Packet for many years, BBSs forwarded on > frequencies and everyone simply got along, generally :-) A busy > signal scheme will only work while there is a signal present, the > moment there is a break in the signal being heard, the busy detect > would drop and.....the station would fire up, unless the busy detect > had a timer, which counted x time after loss of heard signal, before > the station transmitted. Danny, I think you are asking for a perfect > solution, when given all the modes we now have......its a big ask. > Unfortunately, we have to accept some QRM at some time or another and > thats it, in the real world. I think the Pactor mode has been > somewhat "tainted" by the WinLink wars, to a large degree. I mean, I > could set up a Packet Mailbox and start beaconing, looking for > contacts :-) > > > 73s > > Jack VK4JRC __________________________________________ Participe en Universidad 2008. 11 al 15 de febrero del 2008. Palacio de las Convenciones, Ciudad de la Habana, Cuba http://www.universidad2008.cu
