Tony,

Thank you very much for the information.

See you on the air,

philw de ka1gmn

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Tony <d...@optonline.net> wrote:

>
>
> Hello Phil,
>
> >Very interesting. What simulator are you using? philw de ka1gmn
>
> I use Moe Wheatley's PathSim with VAC to route the digital mode
> audio. Pangram text is used to test throughput.
>
> It's important to make sure that the audio amplitude is the same for each
> mode when testing to keep things evenly matched.
>
> Tony -K2MO
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Phil Williams
> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 2:48 PM
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [digitalradio] Olivia - Contestia Tone /
> Bandwidth Configuration
>
>
>   Very interesting.
>
> What simulator are you using?
>
> philw de ka1gmn
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:59 AM, Tony <d...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
> All,
>
> It's interesting to see how the different Olivia mode configurations
> compare when put through the HF path simulator.
>
> I ran Contestia through the simulator this evening and these are the
> results. Olivia 16/500 is shown for reference.
>
> CONTESTIA 500Hz
>
> Tones     Bandwidth    Char/s    minimum SNR     Words Per Minute
>
>    4            500               7.81
> -6db                         94
>    8            500               5.86
> -9db                         70
>   16           500               3.90
> -13db                        46
>  *16          500               2.00
> -14db                        24
>   32           500               2.44
> -15db                        29
>   64           500               1.46
> -17db                        17
> 128           500               0.85
> -20db                        10
>
> *Olivia 16/500 mode
>
> CONTESTIA 1000Hz
>
> Tones     Bandwidth    Char/s    minimum SNR     Words Per Minute
>
>    4          1000Hz           15.6             -3db
> 187
>    8          1000Hz           11.7             -6db
> 140
>  16          1000Hz             7.8             -9db
> 94
>  32          1000Hz            4.9             -12db
> 59
>  64          1000Hz             2.9            -14db
> 35
>
> CONTESTIA 250Hz
>
> Tones     Bandwidth    Char/s    minimum SNR     Words Per Minute
>
>   4               250               3.91
> -12db                      46
>   8               250               2.93
> -13db                      35
> 16              250                1.95
> -15db                       23
> 32              250                1.22
> -17db                      15
> 64              250                0.73          -
> 20db                      8.8
>
>
> It's clear by looking at the chart that the slower the throughput, the
> better the weak-signal performance. This no doubt has to do with symbol rate
> etc (experts comments welcome). Reducing the number of tones by half will
> yield 1-to-4db better weak signal performance, but at the cost of slower wpm
> rate.
>
> The nice thing about being able to change the configuration is that it lets
> you try different combinations to squeeze the most out of the modes to suit
> conditions.
>
> The modes with the higher tones are extremely sensitive so the skies the
> limit in terms of weak signal work as long as you don't mind the slow pace.
>
> It pays to take a good look at each configuration and compare; for example;
> Conestia 32/500 mode vs. Olivia 16/500.
>
> The Contestia mode is 5 wpm faster and slightly more sensitive than Olivia.
> This simple change lets you pick-up the pace without sacrificing weak signal
> performance.
>
> For those who are conscious about spectrum; take a look at Contestia modes
> 8/250 and 64/1000Hz.
>
> They both have the same wpm speed and nearly the same sensitivity, but the
> 8/250 mode performance is the same and it does it in 1/4th the bandwidth.
>
> Getting late here so will have to wrap it up and let the group look at the
> figures and send some feed back.
>
> Hope you all find it interesting...
>
> Tony -K2MO
>
>
>  
>

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