Hello Ethan and Greg, Tried to build from the last commit of Ethan, but obviously, my GNUstep environment (GS-Desktop by Ondrej Florian, on Debian 12, aarch64) is not enough up to date: I am missing arc and the compiler complains:
> Compiling file AppDelegate.m ... > gcc: error: unrecognized command-line option ‘-fobjc-arc’; did you mean > ‘-fobjc-gc’? I installed clang, but it did not fixed this. Are you both working on FreeBSD ? On 2025-04-25 21:18:59 +0200 Ethan C <echaroenpit...@gmail.com> wrote: > After adding all the resources and setting the main storyboard to > Main.storyboard, it gives me an error saying that -[NSXMLDocument > initWithData:options:error] is being called with data = nil. I have just > committed this change, and I can't debug further. > > On 4/25/25 13:13, Gregory Casamento wrote: >> If you commit your changes (I presume you have) I'll take a look. > >> On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 2:04 PM Ethan C <echaroenpit...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> After disabling the pasteboard, the app now builds and links. >> However, only the miniwindow shows up, and it complains about not >> being able to find its resources. I don't know the GNUstep >> resource system well so some help would be appreciated. > >> On Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 10:10 Ethan C <echaroenpit...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks Patrick, Greg! > >> Hi everyone, > >> I have written a GNUmakefile. The main obstacle is the >> pasteboard functionality. > >> GNUstep implements the OpenStep/pre-10.5 OSX pasteboard (see >> the GNUstep docs >> >> <https://www.gnustep.org/resources/documentation/Developer/Gui/Reference/NSPasteboard.html> >> and the Apple docs >> >> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/CopyandPaste/CopyandPaste.html>); >> I have no idea how it integrates with the system's clipboards. >> This pasteboard contains a single item, which may have >> multiple representations. > >> Modern macOS implements the post-10.6 OSX pasteboard (see the >> Apple docs >> >> <https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/PasteboardGuide106/Introduction/Introduction.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40008099> >> - "Pasteboard Concepts" is the most important part), and >> OpenOutliner expects this to work. This pasteboard is a list >> of items (for example, if you copy a selection of a webpage >> which contains an image it should put a rich text and an image >> onto the pasteboard), each of which may have multiple >> representations. Additionally, it starts using Uniform Type >> Identifiers (UTIs) in order to refer to types rather than use >> the old pasteboard type strings (at least in 10.6 those old >> strings were still supported but were deprecated). > >> It looks kind of complicated to implement the new pasteboard >> API, so maybe we could try porting OpenOutliner to the old >> pasteboard API or temporarily disabling all the features which >> need the pasteboard. Do any of you have opinions on this? > >> The Uniform Type Identifiers framework, part of >> LaunchServices, seems to be implemented by Boron so we could >> probably do that. (However, that would make gnustep-gui depend >> on Boron, which may or may not be wanted.) We might want to >> implement in Boron the new Uniform Type Identifiers framework >> >> <https://developer.apple.com/documentation/uniformtypeidentifiers?language=objc> >> introduced in macOS 11 Big Sur, which is object-oriented (UTIs >> are of type `UTType*` rather than `NSString*`, and it provides >> an Objective-C API). Although OpenOutliner doesn't use the new >> UTI APIs, it would be useful to implement in case newer apps >> need it, and regardless it seems to be a cleaner API. > >> Thanks, > >> Ethan > >> On 4/25/25 08:01, Gregory Casamento wrote: >>> Ethan, > >>> Mine is gcasa. I would like to help a little if I can. Also, >>> expanding libs-xcode, if it needs it, to handle it. > >>> Yours, GC > >>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 4:11 AM Patrick Cardona >>> <patrick.card...@ik.me> wrote: > >>> On 2025-04-24 18:50:21 +0200 Ethan C >>> <echaroenpit...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> Hello Ethan, > >>> > I started on the porting at >>> https://github.com/ethanc8/OpenOutliner. > >>> Great! > >>> > You can >>> > grep for "FIXME-GNUstep" for the things that don't work >>> yet (the whole thing >>> > doesn't compile yet). If you give me your GitHub >>> username I can give you >>> > commit access to my fork. > >>> Mine is: pcardona34 > >>> > >>> > On 4/24/25 08:14, Patrick Cardona wrote: >>> >> Hello Ethan, >>> > >>> >> Thanks for this mention. I shall look at this. >>> > >>> >> On 2025-04-24 04:57:47 +0200 Ethan C >>> <echaroenpit...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> > >>> >>> David Chisnall recently mentioned on Lobsters >>> >>> >>> >>> <https://lobste.rs/s/btjtkr/what_software_do_you_dream_about_do_not#c_i2m53u> > >>> >>> a clone of OmniOutliner 3 he wrote in 2017, and said >>> it would be easily >>> >>> portable. Its source is on GitHub >>> >>> <https://github.com/davidchisnall/OpenOutliner> if >>> you want to look at it. >>> >>> From the README it looks like a decently complex >>> application with lots >>> >>> of functionality, so it could be quite useful to port >>> it. See also Liam >>> >>> Proven's comment about why he uses outliners >>> >>> >>> >>> <https://lobste.rs/s/btjtkr/what_software_do_you_dream_about_do_not#c_owdlc8> > >>> >>> to get an idea of what outliner users would want. I >>> might take up this at >>> >>> some point, but I doubt it as I am quite busy and >>> have too many side >>> >>> projects already :) >>> > >>> >>> Thanks, >>> > >>> >>> Ethan Charoenpitaks >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> -- Patrick Cardona - France >>> MUA: GNUMail - Hardware: Raspberry Pi pi400 Model >>> OS: Debian 12 (RPI-OS Lite) - Desktop: GSDE > > > > >>> -- Gregory Casamento >>> GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotus, Principal Consultant >>> http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com >>> https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=352392 - Become a Patron >>> https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c >>> >>> https://www.gofundme.com/f/cacao-linux-a-gnustep-reference-implementation > > > >> -- >> Gregory Casamento >> GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotus, Principal Consultant >> http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com >> https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=352392 - Become a Patron >> https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c >> https://www.gofundme.com/f/cacao-linux-a-gnustep-reference-implementation > -- Patrick Cardona - France MUA: GNUMail - Hardware: Raspberry Pi pi400 Model OS: Debian 12 (RPI-OS Lite) - Desktop: GSDE
