Hello,

On 2025-04-28 23:40:49 +0200 Ethan C <echaroenpit...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Were you able to build the repo from the master branch?

Yes I did:

So I got at the end of the process:
> Linking app OpenOutliner ...
> Creating OpenOutliner.app/Resources...
> Creating stamp file...
> Creating OpenOutliner.app/Resources/Info-gnustep.plist...
> Creating OpenOutliner.app/Resources/OpenOutliner.desktop...
> Copying resources into the app wrapper...
> 

Then I tried this:
> $ openapp ./OpenOutliner.app
> 

But it failed:

> 2025-04-29 22:14:19.280 OpenOutliner[2930:2930] File NSData.m: 291. In BOOL 
> readContentsOfFile(NSString *, void **, off_t *, NSZone *) Open 
> (/home/patrick/micromamba/envs/gnustep/GNUstep/System/Library//gnustep-base/Versions/1.30/Resources/Languages/English)
>  
> attempt failed - not a regular file
> 2025-04-29 22:14:19.418 OpenOutliner[2930:2930] Xlib does not support locale 
> setting fr_FR.utf8
> 2025-04-29 22:14:19.421 OpenOutliner[2930:2930] Unable to initialize XIM, 
> using
> standard keyboard events
> 2025-04-29 22:14:19.687 OpenOutliner[2930:2930] File NSData.m: 279. In BOOL 
> readContentsOfFile(NSString *, void **, off_t *, NSZone *) Open ((null)) 
> attempt failed - bad path
> Abandon (core dumped)
> 

Hum... Obvioulsly, OpenOutliner is French bashing... ;-)


> 
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2025, 16:33 Patrick Cardona <patrick.card...@ik.me> wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
> 
>> Sorry for the late answer. I had a busy working day.
>> Fixed concerning miniforge. See my comment at the repo.
>> Waiting now for the merge of the PR from Greg.
> 
>> Bye!
> 
>> On 2025-04-27 21:19:07 +0200 Ethan C <echaroenpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Hi, sorry if you didn't see it but I replied to the issue. Can you try
>> the
>>> Micromamba - I put the instructions in my reply to the issue.
>>> 
>>> On 4/27/25 13:17, Patrick Cardona wrote:
>>>> On 2025-04-27 20:06:36 +0200 Ethan C <echaroenpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> Can you please open an issue on
>> github.com/ethanc8/gnustep-forge-feedstocks
>>>>> and put the details there?
>>>> Done.
>>> 
>>>>> On 4/27/25 13:05, Patrick Cardona wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-04-27 19:53:01 +0200 Ethan C <echaroenpit...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Are you running into any issue with conda/mamba?
>>>>>> Yes, Ethan, I tried to send very a detailed message, but every time I
>> sent
>>>>>> it, it was rejected by the smtp... Maybe I am pasting a forbidden
>>>>>> character
>>>>>> from the console...
>>>>>> So, in few words:
>>>>>> Step 1: fetching and installing miniforge was ok
>>>>>> Step 2: closing the Terminal, even log out the whole session... and
>> log in
>>>>>> again.
>>>>>> Step 3, while setting conda : command not found.
>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 27, 2025, 12:36 Patrick Cardona <patrick.card...@ik.me>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-04-27 18:58:19 +0200 Gregory Casamento
>>>>>>>> <greg.casame...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On this branch both buildtool and the GNUmakefile produce a working
>>>>>>>>> binary.  It is now finding the Main.storyboard as it should, but
>> it's
>>>>>>>>> failing to load and I am currently looking into this.
>>>>>>>> Thanks Greg, You are so efficient! In my own side, I am just trying
>> to
>>>>>>>> make conda success... so I am a little late...
>>>>>>>> As we say, in the French way, "après la bataille" ;-)
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 27, 2025 at 12:56 PM Gregory Casamento
>>>>>>>>> <greg.casame...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I have submitted my changes as PR #1 on ethans fork, I closed the
>> one
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> davidchisnall's.   It is on a branch known as
>> constructor_correction.
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 27, 2025 at 12:41 PM Gregory Casamento <
>>>>>>>>>> greg.casame...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I have it building, I submitted a PR, but I believe it is against
>>>>>>>> David's
>>>>>>>>>>> repository.  I will update it to be against yours.   Right now
>> it is
>>>>>>>>>>> loading the resources, but it's failing on the Main.storyboard.
>> I
>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>> the fault lies there.  I will track that down as I am already
>> working
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> that code as it is.
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 27, 2025 at 12:39 PM Patrick Cardona <
>>>>>>>> patrick.card...@ik.me>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-04-27 04:40:29 +0200 Ethan C <echaroenpit...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am currently building aarch64 packages, I will update you if
>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> completed. You can check the progress on GitHub
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>> 
>> https://github.com/ethanc8/gnustep-forge-feedstocks/actions/runs/14687506985/job/41218202112
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have an aarch64 machine set up right now, so I would
>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> to test
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the packages.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, Ethan, I shall do it. It is an amazing project, I
>> think
>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful about testing and developing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/26/25 20:02, Patrick Cardona wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ethan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Conda and manba seem to loook great, but as says your guide :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right now it only works on x86_64 glibc Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I am working on aarch64. So I did not follow the conda
>> way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I tried on another env with Clang already there (within
>>>>>>>>>>>> NEXTSPACE:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Debian clang version 14.0.6).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I could build some parts and was stuck at this (I just
>> copied
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> end,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because all the errors are the same):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OOStyleRegistry.mm:348:7: note: candidate constructor (the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implicit
>>>>>>>>>>>> copy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constructor) not viable: requires 1 argument, but 7 were
>> provided
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> class number_style_attribute : public style_attribute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             ^
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OOStyleRegistry.mm:348:7: note: candidate constructor (the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implicit
>>>>>>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constructor) not viable: requires 1 argument, but 7 were
>> provided
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 warnings and 13 errors generated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gmake[3]: *** [/Developer/Makefiles/rules.make:575:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obj/OpenOutliner.obj/OOStyleRegistry.mm.o] Error 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gmake[2]: ***
>> [/Developer/Makefiles/Instance/application.make:145:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internal-app-run-compile-submake] Error 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gmake[1]: *** [/Developer/Makefiles/Master/rules.make:297:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OpenOutliner.all.app.variables] Error 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make: *** [/Developer/Makefiles/Master/application.make:38:
>>>>>>>>>>>> internal-all]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Error
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously due to my clang version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-04-26 04:03:51 +0200 Ethan C<echaroenpit...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you try my guide to installing GNUstep with Conda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>> 
>> https://github.com/ethanc8/gnustep-forge-feedstocks/blob/master/guide.md
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Use the environment.yml in the OpenOutliner repo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/ethanc8/OpenOutliner/blob/master/environment.yml
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the one in the guide. It should have everything you
>> need,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tested it on my machine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that you always need to `mamba activate gnustep` in
>> order to
>>>>>>>>>>>> enter the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> environment. This environment will contain Clang, the latest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the GNUstep core libraries as of December, glibc 2.34,
>> libbsd,
>>>>>>>>>>>> zlib, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the other dependencies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ethan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/25 17:42, Patrick Cardona wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Ethan and Greg,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tried to build from the last commit of Ethan, but
>> obviously, my
>>>>>>>>>>>> GNUstep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> environment (GS-Desktop by Ondrej Florian, on Debian 12,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aarch64)
>>>>>>>>>>>> is not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough up to date: I am missing arc and the compiler
>> complains:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Compiling file AppDelegate.m ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          gcc: error: unrecognized command-line option
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ‘-fobjc-arc’;
>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean ‘-fobjc-gc’?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I installed clang, but it did not fixed this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you both working on FreeBSD ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-04-25 21:18:59 +0200 Ethan C<
>> echaroenpit...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After adding all the resources and setting the main
>> storyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Main.storyboard, it gives me an error saying that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -[NSXMLDocument
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> initWithData:options:error] is being called with data =
>> nil. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> have just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committed this change, and I can't debug further.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/25 13:13, Gregory Casamento wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you commit your changes (I presume you have) I'll take
>> a
>>>>>>>> look.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 2:04 PM Ethan C<
>>>>>>>> echaroenpit...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              After disabling the pasteboard, the app now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> builds and
>>>>>>>>>>>> links.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              However, only the miniwindow shows up, and it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complains
>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              being able to find its resources. I don't
>> know the
>>>>>>>>>>>> GNUstep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              resource system well so some help would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              On Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 10:10 Ethan C<
>>>>>>>>>>>> echaroenpit...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  Thanks Patrick, Greg!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  I have written a GNUmakefile. The main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstacle is
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  pasteboard functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  GNUstep implements the OpenStep/pre-10.5
>> OSX
>>>>>>>>>>>> pasteboard (see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  the GNUstep docs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>> 
>> https://www.gnustep.org/resources/documentation/Developer/Gui/Reference/NSPasteboard.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  and the Apple docs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>> 
>> https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/CopyandPaste/CopyandPaste.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>> );
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  I have no idea how it integrates with
>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clipboards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  This pasteboard contains a single item,
>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  multiple representations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  Modern macOS implements the post-10.6 OSX
>>>>>>>> pasteboard
>>>>>>>>>>>> (see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  Apple docs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>> 
>> https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/PasteboardGuide106/Introduction/Introduction.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40008099
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  - "Pasteboard Concepts" is the most
>> important
>>>>>>>> part),
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  OpenOutliner expects this to work. This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pasteboard
>>>>>>>>>>>> is a list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  of items (for example, if you copy a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selection of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> webpage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  which contains an image it should put a
>> rich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text
>>>>>>>>>>>> and an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> image
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  onto the pasteboard), each of which may
>> have
>>>>>>>> multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  representations. Additionally, it starts
>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>> Uniform Type
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  Identifiers (UTIs) in order to refer to
>> types
>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  the old pasteboard type strings (at
>> least in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10.6
>>>>>>>>>>>> those old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  strings were still supported but were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deprecated).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  It looks kind of complicated to
>> implement the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>> pasteboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  API, so maybe we could try porting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OpenOutliner to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  pasteboard API or temporarily disabling
>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> features
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  need the pasteboard. Do any of you have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  The Uniform Type Identifiers framework,
>> part
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  LaunchServices, seems to be implemented
>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boron
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>> we could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  probably do that. (However, that would
>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>> gnustep-gui
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  on Boron, which may or may not be
>> wanted.) We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  implement in Boron the new Uniform Type
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Identifiers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> framework
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>> 
>> https://developer.apple.com/documentation/uniformtypeidentifiers?language=objc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  introduced in macOS 11 Big Sur, which is
>>>>>>>>>>>> object-oriented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (UTIs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  are of type `UTType*` rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> `NSString*`, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provides
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  an Objective-C API). Although
>> OpenOutliner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> use the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  UTI APIs, it would be useful to
>> implement in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case
>>>>>>>>>>>> newer apps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  need it, and regardless it seems to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cleaner
>>>>>>>> API.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  Ethan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  On 4/25/25 08:01, Gregory Casamento
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  Ethan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  Mine is gcasa.  I would like to help a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> can.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  expanding libs-xcode, if it needs it,
>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handle
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  Yours, GC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 4:11 AM Patrick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cardona
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  <patrick.card...@ik.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      On 2025-04-24 18:50:21 +0200 Ethan C
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      <echaroenpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      Hello Ethan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      > I started on the porting at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> https://github.com/ethanc8/OpenOutliner.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      Great!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      > You can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      > grep for "FIXME-GNUstep" for the
>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      yet (the whole thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      > doesn't compile yet). If you give
>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> GitHub
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      username I can give you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      > commit access to my fork.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      Mine is: pcardona34
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      > On 4/24/25 08:14, Patrick Cardona
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >> Hello Ethan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >> Thanks for this mention. I shall
>> look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >> On 2025-04-24 04:57:47 +0200
>> Ethan C
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      <echaroenpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >>> David Chisnall recently
>> mentioned on
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lobsters
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>> 
>> https://lobste.rs/s/btjtkr/what_software_do_you_dream_about_do_not#c_i2m53u
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >>> a clone of OmniOutliner 3 he
>> wrote in
>>>>>>>> 2017,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      it would be easily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >>> portable. Its source is on
>> GitHub
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >>><
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/davidchisnall/OpenOutliner> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      you want to look at it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >>>  From the README it looks like
>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decently
>>>>>>>>>>>> complex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      application with lots
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >>> of functionality, so it could
>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>>>>> useful to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> port
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      it. See also Liam
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >>> Proven's comment about why he
>> uses
>>>>>>>> outliners
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>> 
>> https://lobste.rs/s/btjtkr/what_software_do_you_dream_about_do_not#c_owdlc8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >>> to get an idea of what outliner
>> users
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>> want. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      might take up this at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >>> some point, but I doubt it as I
>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>>>>> busy and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      have too many side
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >>> projects already :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >>> Ethan Charoenpitaks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      --             Patrick Cardona -
>> France
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      MUA: GNUMail - Hardware: Raspberry
>> Pi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pi400
>>>>>>>>>>>> Model
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                      OS: Debian 12 (RPI-OS Lite) -
>> Desktop:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GSDE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  --         Gregory Casamento
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotus,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Principal
>>>>>>>>>>>> Consultant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  http://www.gnustep.org -
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://heronsperch.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=352392 -
>>>>>>>> Become
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Patron
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>> https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gregory Casamento
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotus, Principal Consultant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gnustep.org -http://heronsperch.blogspot.com
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Patrick Cardona - France
>>>>>>>>>>>> MUA: GNUMail - Hardware: Raspberry Pi pi400 Model
>>>>>>>>>>>> OS: Debian 12 (RPI-OS Lite) - Desktop: GSDE
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Gregory Casamento
>>>>>>>>>>> GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotus, Principal Consultant
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=352392 - Become a Patron
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c
>>>>>>>> 
>> https://www.gofundme.com/f/cacao-linux-a-gnustep-reference-implementation
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Gregory Casamento
>>>>>>>>>> GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotus, Principal Consultant
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=352392 - Become a Patron
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c
>>>>>>>> 
>> https://www.gofundme.com/f/cacao-linux-a-gnustep-reference-implementation
>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Patrick Cardona - France
>>>>>>>> MUA: GNUMail - Hardware: Raspberry Pi pi400 Model
>>>>>>>> OS: Debian 12 (RPI-OS Lite) - Desktop: GSDE
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
>> --
>> Patrick Cardona - France
>> MUA: GNUMail - Hardware: Raspberry Pi pi400 Model
>> OS: Debian 12 (RPI-OS Lite) - Desktop: GSDE
> 
> 
> 

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