Though this is a lively and interesting debate, it's long since left the
realm of domain registrations and moved on to somewhere else.

Thank you for your consideration.

-t

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of ezgoing8
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 4:14 PM
> To: opensrs discuss
> Subject: Re: Spamming
> 
> 
> spam is wrong.
> 
> But the net vigilante approach of fighting it is just as 
> wrong.  In fact it is worse than spam as it deliberately sets 
> out to disable the email service for at least 255 other users 
> on the server that did not spam.
> 
> Go after the spammer, yes.  but don't use the terrorist 
> mindset of injuring innocent webmasters to make the point 
> that spam is wrong.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kris Benson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "POWERHOUSE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Swerve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "opensrs discuss" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 10:41 AM
> Subject: Re: Spamming
> 
> 
> > POWERHOUSE wrote:
> > >
> > > No, I do agree, that Fax blasting is WRONG. That does cost people 
> > > money. Email Does Not. Just like if your are watching TV 
> and you see 
> > > an ad. You have a choice to watch it or NOT. In your
> Snail
> > > Mail. You can through the letter away or NOT.
> >
> > Mr Powerhouse:
> >
> > This argument is weak.  Very weak.  In fact, it is based on 
> a fallacy. 
> > e-mail does cost people money.  I know that as an ISP, we 
> pay traffic 
> > charges, and CPU time on our mailserver is not free either. 
>  As a home 
> > user, I pay connect-time charges.  What does the spammer pay?  
> > Relatively little in comparison.  It is truly the recipient 
> that ends 
> > up swallowing the costs.
> >
> > This is opposite other mediums:
> > Fax: you will likely get it long distance, costing you pennies 
> > (especially if you have a decent fax machine) and costing 
> them about 
> > 40 cents per page.
> >
> > Mail: you pay nothing to recieve it, the sender pays about 40 cents 
> > per envelope to send it (plus medium costs)
> >
> > TV: you pay relatively little for the cable service when 
> you compare 
> > to the thousands or millions of dollars spent to run a 30 second ad.
> >
> > > I just don't think people should be able to cry spam, when 75% of 
> > > the
> time,
> > > they have signed up for something somewhere and
> > > they just forget about it. I am a webhost. Not a reseller 
> either. I 
> > > do
> not
> > > shut down my clients for spam, unless the person who sent 
> it cannot 
> > > verify that the person in some way either emailed them FIRST,
> or
> >
> > You know how easy it is to manufacture an e-mail message?  
> There's a 
> > reason that they're not quite as rock solid as a 
> handwritten letter in 
> > court.
> >
> > > Then it's NOT spam. X being critical factors. Then when 
> people ask 
> > > to be removed, and they are NOT removed, they should get 
> a fine or 
> > > something like that, to keep the "balance" on the internet. I just
> don't
> > > think that their should be 1000 different laws as to what 
> > > constitutes Spam. If that is the case, and say you have a 
> customer, 
> > > who falls under
> the
> >
> > Spam is the common term for UCE or Unsolicited Commercial E-mail. 
> > Dissecting this term, we find that the message must meet three
> > qualifications: 1, Unsolicited -- user did not request this 
> > information; 2, Commercial -- someone somewhere is going to profit 
> > from this; 3, e-mail
> > -- must come by e-mail.
> >
> > If it fits those three categories, it is spam.
> >
> > > Just because they are you customer, don't mean you have 
> the right to
> send
> > > them email, and that is a what I'm talking about. Their
> >
> > That is debatable.  A company-client relationship changes it from 
> > unsolicited to solicited.
> >
> > > everyones got them and they all stink. I know mine does 
> to a lot of
> people,
> > > but I think that is the way it should be. Filters work, but they 
> > > could
> also
> > > filter out GOOD email. Like maybe a domain Expiration warning. 
> > > Things
> like
> > > that.
> > >
> > > anyways, Not everyone agrees with what I think, and I don't agree 
> > > with
> what
> > > everyone thinks. Life goes on....
> >
> > Spam is wrong.  I'm sure it could be arranged to have all the list 
> > members start forwarding their spam to you, if you want proof...
> >
> > -kb
> > --
> > Kris Benson
> > ABC Communications
> > +1 (250)612-5270 x204
> > +1 (888)235-1174 x204
> 
> 
> 

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