Here's my appraisal as an observer of the Apache discussions:

There are two "deals" one of which is done, one of which isn't (yet).

It is a done deal that Oracle has made a grant to the Apache Software 
Foundation.

There is a proposal at the ASF to create an incubator podling (a fledgling 
project).  That is, to accept the grant and proceed to bring the OpenOffice.org 
code and maintain/develop it with Apache License version 2 open-source 
software. 

The only question (at Apache) is whether they will or will not create an 
incubator.  That's the second deal. 

We will likely know whether Apache has initiated an incubator by this time next 
week, probably sooner.

To repeat, the grant has been made, and it gives Apache an Apache License to 
what of OpenOffice.org that Oracle has the right to license.  The actual list 
of artifacts will probably have to be adjusted as the original list is reviewed 
and questions asked.  Oracle has indicated that it is willing to cooperate in 
that and ensure a successful transfer of the materials.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Florian Effenberger [mailto:flo...@documentfoundation.org] 
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 09:18
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org; gene...@incubator.apache.org
Subject: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

Hi Jim,

Jim Jagielski wrote on 2011-06-06 18.06:
>> The reality is that IBM employees wearing their IBM hats, have made 
>> it
>> >  crystal clear on the general@incubator list that IBM is going to 
>> > force  The Apache Foundation to take the project.
>> >
> How?

I am *not* saying you would be influenced or forced - I'd never doubt that you 
are deciding independent. However, what people may give the feeling that 
something's wrong are statements like these:

http://www.sutor.com/c/2011/06/some-remarks-on-openoffice-going-to-apache/comment-page-1/#comment-5309

"it is a done deal"

That might create wrong impressions...

Florian

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