The downside to making submissions anonymous is that it increases the likelihood of spam.
Another issue: some schools may view sharing this content as aiding cheating, and could take disciplinary action against students. We should look into policies on that. On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Rich Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > @Adi - so no offense to your friend, but this website is kiiinnddaaa lame. > Requires accounts and it pretty much only has any content from Harvard. > Apparently he's been working on this for over a year and I'm sure we could > make something better in less than a week. The content is also -NC. Still, > it shows there is a demand for this kind of service. > > @Alec Story - I was assuming that the submissions would be anonymous by > default. No barriers to consumption and no barriers to submission. > > R > > > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Alec Story <[email protected]> wrote: > >> One thing about sharing notes or papers: it would be very useful to have >> an anonymized form. While I might be happy to share a paper, I might not be >> happy to let future employers read papers I wrote, particularly without the >> context of the class to explain them - it's entirely possible to have a >> teacher require a paper defending a difficult or commonly-disagreed-with >> point of view as an intellectual exercise. >> >> Ideally, this anonymization wouldn't be correlated across user accounts to >> prevent people from piecing the data together. Just "anonymous" would be >> sufficient. >> >> RE cheating, if this gets up and running, providing API support for >> anti-plagiarism software would be a nice touch. >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Adi Kamdar <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I've been chatting with Andrew Magliozzi, who's working on FinalsClub.org >>> (awful name, I know). It's a non-profit note-sharing site, and he just got a >>> bunch of money from the Hewlett Foundation (I think) to move forward with >>> this. I'm preeettty sure the licensing scheme for the site is >>> choose-your-own-CC, though I'm not entirely sure. >>> >>> The point is, he's just underwent going through a pretty big survey of >>> students regarding whether or not they would use something like this, what >>> they would want from this, chief concerns, etc. He's always looking for >>> feedback/input, and it might be useful to reach out to him. >>> >>> -Adi >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Rich Jones <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I've haven't seen those two services before, but I have seen others just >>>> like them, and I think they're _crap_. >>>> There's no need to make this any more complicated than it needs to be, >>>> and I think the mandatory login is a bunch of bullshit. Very >>>> pyramid-schemey. >>>> >>>> Integrating directly into the note taking application is a nifty idea - >>>> a piratepad/unnamedSFCnotesapp mashup would be pretty neat - let people in >>>> the same class take notes together, then publish them directly for >>>> everybody >>>> else. Maybe a feature we can work on after then initial push. >>>> >>>> R >>>> >>>> >>>>> Love the idea of making things that students can use! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There seem to be two parts of the note-sharing idea: >>>>> * Taking the notes >>>>> * Sharing the notes >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Two existing note-sharing services to take a look at: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.notetopia.com/ >>>>> * (for some reason @usc.edu won't get me in...) >>>>> >>>>> http://www.noteutopia.com/ >>>>> * (this caused a bunch of controversy because they buy/sell the notes) >>>>> >>>>> I'm certain that there are others ... >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> The note TAKING step seems just as compelling, though. >>>>> >>>>> On one extreme, I see many many students taking notes in the Microsoft >>>>> Office notetaking program (OneNote)? >>>>> >>>>> On the other, my personal note-taking workflow involves vim + >>>>> mediawiki. >>>>> >>>>> What's a good half-way point between these approaches that encourages >>>>> sharing? >>>>> >>>>> Some of my classmates swear by a non-free Mac program called Scrivener: >>>>> http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.php >>>>> >>>>> And I know some others who have a similar relationship to Zim: >>>>> http://zim-wiki.org/ >>>>> >>>>> Maybe a specially modified version of Piratepad for students? >>>>> >>>>> A project like this could start a bigger conversation about the best >>>>> tools/practices for students who care about their computing freedom. >>>>> >>>>> Exciting stuff! >>>>> Kevin >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Parker <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just wanted to chime in on the idea of making it about student papers >>>>> and not notes: >>>>> I have this feeling that making it about student papers is more of a >>>>> positive statement and less subversive. I'm kind of having trouble >>>>> justifying that feeling, though--maybe I'm crazy, or maybe someone can >>>>> back me up. >>>>> >>>>> But it seems to me that we can make a really nice positive statement >>>>> like "we students are proud of this stuff that we've done--and like, >>>>> sometimes we ask profs to share stuff, ala OCW, but this should go 2 >>>>> ways. besides, this paper is interesting outside the scope of this >>>>> class, and putting it on the web makes me feel like a real academic! >>>>> eeeee!" >>>>> >>>>> I guess the real issue is that with lecture notes, professors might >>>>> feel like we're taking something from them in a way that they're >>>>> probably less likely to feel if we just publish papers. I don't know. >>>>> >>>>> In general I'm recently more interested in making positive statements >>>>> than being subversive. Relatedly, I think that if we re-frame the Open >>>>> University campaign as something where we students are helping our >>>>> universities become more open instead of trying to embarass/celebrate >>>>> them with report cards, we might have more success. That's been the >>>>> thinking about my last couple threads about simple ways to show your >>>>> support for CC licensing and help out parts of your school that might >>>>> be interested. I think that we could do some great work at the >>>>> conference this feb by working through some "just add water" >>>>> kits/recipes that chapters can use to increase sharing and openness at >>>>> their schools. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Rich Jones <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > (I'm submitting this as an idea to FC-discuss to see what everybody >>>>> thinks >>>>> > about it, if we decide to move forward, we can discuss the >>>>> implementation >>>>> > details on FC-Hackers). >>>>> > >>>>> > With the conference in New York rapidly approaching, I think it would >>>>> be >>>>> > really cool if we made something that we could show off to everybody >>>>> by the >>>>> > end of the conference. If we get the ball rolling now, I'm sure we >>>>> can have >>>>> > something cool by the end if we have a hackathon during the conf. >>>>> > >>>>> > So while I was in school I remember noticing that damn near everybody >>>>> in >>>>> > most of my classes had a laptop to take notes on. I think it'd be >>>>> really >>>>> > sweet and super handy if we set up a website where we could all >>>>> easily share >>>>> > our notes and the other course materials we make. There are some >>>>> companies >>>>> > doing something similar, but none that are free and use creative >>>>> commons >>>>> > licensing. I think this a cool opportunity to experiment with the >>>>> free >>>>> > culture philosophy in education, and we could actually end up making >>>>> a >>>>> > difference in the way people learn. I found that in school I learned >>>>> just as >>>>> > much from my peers as I did from my professors, and this could be a >>>>> good >>>>> > tool for facilitating and enhancing that aspect of peer to peer >>>>> learning. >>>>> > >>>>> > There are some pros and cons to this idea: >>>>> > Pros: >>>>> > - Utility! People would be able to come to class more prepared and be >>>>> able >>>>> > to learn from the notes of others as well as their own. >>>>> > - Display scholarship! Our handsome friend Parker has suggested that >>>>> perhaps >>>>> > it could be used to highlight good scholarship, to display papers we >>>>> are >>>>> > proud of. It would be cool to share them with each other and comment >>>>> on >>>>> > their content. >>>>> > - Novelty! I'd love to be able to see the coursework and notes that >>>>> people >>>>> > in other majors take, simply for my own curiosity. >>>>> > - Promote SFC! I can't think of anything that would bring in more >>>>> members >>>>> > than a useful, public service. >>>>> > - $$$ for SFC: If it became popular enough, perhaps we could slap up >>>>> some >>>>> > ads and bring in a little cash to the organization. >>>>> > >>>>> > Potential Cons: >>>>> > - Plagiarism/Cheating: This is going to be a difficult issue. Some >>>>> people >>>>> > may abuse the service to simply copy and paste other people's work. >>>>> While I >>>>> > think that outright plagarism is a really bad bad thing, I don't >>>>> think >>>>> > there's anything wrong with remixing somebody else's ideas and >>>>> learning >>>>> > about what makes a good paper and what makes a bad paper. In fact, >>>>> this is >>>>> > really the whole heart of our organization, right? >>>>> > - Copyright: Some teachers may object to having their courses >>>>> 'notesified' >>>>> > and uploaded public consumption. IANAL, but I believe I remember the >>>>> supreme >>>>> > court (or perhaps is was the supreme court of Florida (??)) ruling >>>>> that a >>>>> > students' notes are their own property. This could be a good way to >>>>> test >>>>> > that ruling. (Legally, I think we'd be okay thanks to the DMCA safe >>>>> harbor). >>>>> > - Damaging our relationship with professors: Parker has been having >>>>> success >>>>> > promoting OpenCourseware at Dartmouth and affords much of the success >>>>> to >>>>> > friendliness, handsomeness and cooperation with professors. This idea >>>>> may be >>>>> > too subversive and could damage rapport for members who want to >>>>> establish >>>>> > these ties. >>>>> > >>>>> > What do you guys think? Would you use this service? Would you be >>>>> willing to >>>>> > upload your own notes to it? >>>>> > >>>>> > I've learned Django recently and I'm pretty sure we could whip up a >>>>> > prototype in a couple of days. >>>>> > (Also!: Please join fc-hackers ( >>>>> > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fc-hackers ) if you >>>>> are >>>>> > interested in developing this or any other FC ideas.) >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks! >>>>> > Rich >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > Discuss mailing list >>>>> > [email protected] >>>>> > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> http://www.madebyparker.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Alec Story >> Cornell University >> Biological Sciences, Computer Science 2012 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > > -- Alec Story Cornell University Biological Sciences, Computer Science 2012
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