Captchas are very simple to set up. You do make a good point that perhaps students could have disciplinary action taken against them, although any student worried about that could do so anonymously.
Point is, I'm fed up with "we should look into that" and then nothing ever happening. Code first, ask questions later. R On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Alec Story <[email protected]> wrote: > The downside to making submissions anonymous is that it increases the > likelihood of spam. > > Another issue: some schools may view sharing this content as aiding > cheating, and could take disciplinary action against students. We should > look into policies on that. > > > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Rich Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > >> @Adi - so no offense to your friend, but this website is kiiinnddaaa lame. >> Requires accounts and it pretty much only has any content from Harvard. >> Apparently he's been working on this for over a year and I'm sure we could >> make something better in less than a week. The content is also -NC. Still, >> it shows there is a demand for this kind of service. >> >> @Alec Story - I was assuming that the submissions would be anonymous by >> default. No barriers to consumption and no barriers to submission. >> >> R >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Alec Story <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> One thing about sharing notes or papers: it would be very useful to have >>> an anonymized form. While I might be happy to share a paper, I might not be >>> happy to let future employers read papers I wrote, particularly without the >>> context of the class to explain them - it's entirely possible to have a >>> teacher require a paper defending a difficult or commonly-disagreed-with >>> point of view as an intellectual exercise. >>> >>> Ideally, this anonymization wouldn't be correlated across user accounts >>> to prevent people from piecing the data together. Just "anonymous" would be >>> sufficient. >>> >>> RE cheating, if this gets up and running, providing API support for >>> anti-plagiarism software would be a nice touch. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Adi Kamdar <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> I've been chatting with Andrew Magliozzi, who's working on >>>> FinalsClub.org (awful name, I know). It's a non-profit note-sharing site, >>>> and he just got a bunch of money from the Hewlett Foundation (I think) to >>>> move forward with this. I'm preeettty sure the licensing scheme for the >>>> site >>>> is choose-your-own-CC, though I'm not entirely sure. >>>> >>>> The point is, he's just underwent going through a pretty big survey of >>>> students regarding whether or not they would use something like this, what >>>> they would want from this, chief concerns, etc. He's always looking for >>>> feedback/input, and it might be useful to reach out to him. >>>> >>>> -Adi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Rich Jones <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I've haven't seen those two services before, but I have seen others >>>>> just like them, and I think they're _crap_. >>>>> There's no need to make this any more complicated than it needs to be, >>>>> and I think the mandatory login is a bunch of bullshit. Very >>>>> pyramid-schemey. >>>>> >>>>> Integrating directly into the note taking application is a nifty idea - >>>>> a piratepad/unnamedSFCnotesapp mashup would be pretty neat - let people in >>>>> the same class take notes together, then publish them directly for >>>>> everybody >>>>> else. Maybe a feature we can work on after then initial push. >>>>> >>>>> R >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Love the idea of making things that students can use! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> There seem to be two parts of the note-sharing idea: >>>>>> * Taking the notes >>>>>> * Sharing the notes >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Two existing note-sharing services to take a look at: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.notetopia.com/ >>>>>> * (for some reason @usc.edu won't get me in...) >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.noteutopia.com/ >>>>>> * (this caused a bunch of controversy because they buy/sell the notes) >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm certain that there are others ... >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> The note TAKING step seems just as compelling, though. >>>>>> >>>>>> On one extreme, I see many many students taking notes in the Microsoft >>>>>> Office notetaking program (OneNote)? >>>>>> >>>>>> On the other, my personal note-taking workflow involves vim + >>>>>> mediawiki. >>>>>> >>>>>> What's a good half-way point between these approaches that encourages >>>>>> sharing? >>>>>> >>>>>> Some of my classmates swear by a non-free Mac program called >>>>>> Scrivener: >>>>>> http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.php >>>>>> >>>>>> And I know some others who have a similar relationship to Zim: >>>>>> http://zim-wiki.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe a specially modified version of Piratepad for students? >>>>>> >>>>>> A project like this could start a bigger conversation about the best >>>>>> tools/practices for students who care about their computing freedom. >>>>>> >>>>>> Exciting stuff! >>>>>> Kevin >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Parker <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Just wanted to chime in on the idea of making it about student papers >>>>>> and not notes: >>>>>> I have this feeling that making it about student papers is more of a >>>>>> positive statement and less subversive. I'm kind of having trouble >>>>>> justifying that feeling, though--maybe I'm crazy, or maybe someone can >>>>>> back me up. >>>>>> >>>>>> But it seems to me that we can make a really nice positive statement >>>>>> like "we students are proud of this stuff that we've done--and like, >>>>>> sometimes we ask profs to share stuff, ala OCW, but this should go 2 >>>>>> ways. besides, this paper is interesting outside the scope of this >>>>>> class, and putting it on the web makes me feel like a real academic! >>>>>> eeeee!" >>>>>> >>>>>> I guess the real issue is that with lecture notes, professors might >>>>>> feel like we're taking something from them in a way that they're >>>>>> probably less likely to feel if we just publish papers. I don't know. >>>>>> >>>>>> In general I'm recently more interested in making positive statements >>>>>> than being subversive. Relatedly, I think that if we re-frame the Open >>>>>> University campaign as something where we students are helping our >>>>>> universities become more open instead of trying to embarass/celebrate >>>>>> them with report cards, we might have more success. That's been the >>>>>> thinking about my last couple threads about simple ways to show your >>>>>> support for CC licensing and help out parts of your school that might >>>>>> be interested. I think that we could do some great work at the >>>>>> conference this feb by working through some "just add water" >>>>>> kits/recipes that chapters can use to increase sharing and openness at >>>>>> their schools. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Rich Jones <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > (I'm submitting this as an idea to FC-discuss to see what everybody >>>>>> thinks >>>>>> > about it, if we decide to move forward, we can discuss the >>>>>> implementation >>>>>> > details on FC-Hackers). >>>>>> > >>>>>> > With the conference in New York rapidly approaching, I think it >>>>>> would be >>>>>> > really cool if we made something that we could show off to everybody >>>>>> by the >>>>>> > end of the conference. If we get the ball rolling now, I'm sure we >>>>>> can have >>>>>> > something cool by the end if we have a hackathon during the conf. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > So while I was in school I remember noticing that damn near >>>>>> everybody in >>>>>> > most of my classes had a laptop to take notes on. I think it'd be >>>>>> really >>>>>> > sweet and super handy if we set up a website where we could all >>>>>> easily share >>>>>> > our notes and the other course materials we make. There are some >>>>>> companies >>>>>> > doing something similar, but none that are free and use creative >>>>>> commons >>>>>> > licensing. I think this a cool opportunity to experiment with the >>>>>> free >>>>>> > culture philosophy in education, and we could actually end up making >>>>>> a >>>>>> > difference in the way people learn. I found that in school I learned >>>>>> just as >>>>>> > much from my peers as I did from my professors, and this could be a >>>>>> good >>>>>> > tool for facilitating and enhancing that aspect of peer to peer >>>>>> learning. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > There are some pros and cons to this idea: >>>>>> > Pros: >>>>>> > - Utility! People would be able to come to class more prepared and >>>>>> be able >>>>>> > to learn from the notes of others as well as their own. >>>>>> > - Display scholarship! Our handsome friend Parker has suggested that >>>>>> perhaps >>>>>> > it could be used to highlight good scholarship, to display papers we >>>>>> are >>>>>> > proud of. It would be cool to share them with each other and comment >>>>>> on >>>>>> > their content. >>>>>> > - Novelty! I'd love to be able to see the coursework and notes that >>>>>> people >>>>>> > in other majors take, simply for my own curiosity. >>>>>> > - Promote SFC! I can't think of anything that would bring in more >>>>>> members >>>>>> > than a useful, public service. >>>>>> > - $$$ for SFC: If it became popular enough, perhaps we could slap up >>>>>> some >>>>>> > ads and bring in a little cash to the organization. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Potential Cons: >>>>>> > - Plagiarism/Cheating: This is going to be a difficult issue. Some >>>>>> people >>>>>> > may abuse the service to simply copy and paste other people's work. >>>>>> While I >>>>>> > think that outright plagarism is a really bad bad thing, I don't >>>>>> think >>>>>> > there's anything wrong with remixing somebody else's ideas and >>>>>> learning >>>>>> > about what makes a good paper and what makes a bad paper. In fact, >>>>>> this is >>>>>> > really the whole heart of our organization, right? >>>>>> > - Copyright: Some teachers may object to having their courses >>>>>> 'notesified' >>>>>> > and uploaded public consumption. IANAL, but I believe I remember the >>>>>> supreme >>>>>> > court (or perhaps is was the supreme court of Florida (??)) ruling >>>>>> that a >>>>>> > students' notes are their own property. This could be a good way to >>>>>> test >>>>>> > that ruling. (Legally, I think we'd be okay thanks to the DMCA safe >>>>>> harbor). >>>>>> > - Damaging our relationship with professors: Parker has been having >>>>>> success >>>>>> > promoting OpenCourseware at Dartmouth and affords much of the >>>>>> success to >>>>>> > friendliness, handsomeness and cooperation with professors. This >>>>>> idea may be >>>>>> > too subversive and could damage rapport for members who want to >>>>>> establish >>>>>> > these ties. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > What do you guys think? Would you use this service? Would you be >>>>>> willing to >>>>>> > upload your own notes to it? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I've learned Django recently and I'm pretty sure we could whip up a >>>>>> > prototype in a couple of days. >>>>>> > (Also!: Please join fc-hackers ( >>>>>> > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fc-hackers ) if you >>>>>> are >>>>>> > interested in developing this or any other FC ideas.) >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Thanks! >>>>>> > Rich >>>>>> > >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > Discuss mailing list >>>>>> > [email protected] >>>>>> > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> http://www.madebyparker.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Alec Story >>> Cornell University >>> Biological Sciences, Computer Science 2012 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >> >> > > > -- > Alec Story > Cornell University > Biological Sciences, Computer Science 2012 > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > >
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