Fred Benenson <[email protected]> writes: >uhh Does someone have admin privs for
http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ? No reason to think hard about this: that sender ([email protected]) should simply not be able to send to the list anymore, period. -K >~ ~ ~ >thoughts / http://fredbenenson.com/blog >work / http://kickstarter.com >sights / http://flickr.com/fcb >sounds / http://www.last.fm/user/mecredis >status / http://twitter.com/mecredis > > > >On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Jill Louise Starr ><[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Irrefutable Proof ICTY Is Corrupt Court/Irrefutable Proof the > Hague Court Cannot Legitimately Prosecute Karadzic Case > > posted Oct 5, 2009 10:02 AM by Jill Starr [ updated Jan 22, 2011 > 2:37 AM ] > > > > > Delicious Digg Facebook Reddit Stumble Upon Technorati Mixx > Sphinn Twitter SphereIt Propeller Gmarks Newsvine Yahoo! My Web > Live Journal Blinklist E-mail > > Photo 7631 of 7631 Back to Album · My Photos > > * Previous > > * Next > > > Click on people's faces in the > photo to tag them. > > > > > > Irrefutable Proof ICTY Is Corrupt Court/Irrefutable Proof the Hague > Court Cannot > Legitimately Prosecute Karadzic Case > > http://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa > > https://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa/IrrefutableProofICTYIsCorruptCo > urtIrrefutabl# > (The Documentary Secret United Nations ICC Meeting Papers Scanned > Images) > > > This legal technicality indicates the Hague must dismiss charges > against Dr Karadzic and > others awaiting trials in the Hague jail; like it or not. > > Unfortunately for the Signatures Of the Rome Statute United Nations > member states > instituting the ICC & ICTY housed at the Hague, insofar as the, > Radovan Karadzic, as > with the other Hague cases awaiting trial there, I personally > witnessed these United > Nations member states having a substantial conversation and openly > speaking about trading judicial appointments and verdicts for > financial funding when I attended the 2001 ICC Preparatory Meetings > at the UN in Manhattan making the iCTY and ICC morally incapable > trying Radovan Karazdic and others. > > I witnessed with my own eyes and ears when attending the 2001 > Preparatory Meetings to > establish an newly emergent International Criminal Court, the exact > caliber of criminal > corruption running so very deeply at the Hague, that it was a > perfectly viable topic of > legitimate conversation in those meetings I attended to debate > trading verdicts AND > judicial appointments, for monetary funding. > > Jilly wrote:*The rep from Spain became distraught and when her > country’s proposal was > not taken to well by the chair of the meeting , then Spain argued in > a particularly loud > and noticably strongly vocal manner, “Spain (my country) strongly > believes if we > contribute most financial support to the Hague’s highest court, that > ought to give us and > other countries feeding it financially MORE direct power over its > decisions.” > > ((((((((((((((((((((((((( ((((((((((((((((((((((((( Instead of > censoring the country representative > from Spain for even bringing up this unjust, illegal and unfair > judicial idea of bribery for > international judicial verdicts and judicial appointments, all > country representatives > present in the meeting that day all treated the Spain proposition as > a ”totally legitimate > topic” discussed and debated it between each other for some time. I > was quite shocked! > The idea was "let's discuss it." "It's a great topic to discuss." > > Some countries agreed with Spain’s propositions while others did > not. The point here is, > bribery for judicial verdicts and judicial appointments was treated > as a totally legitimate > topic instead of an illegitimate toic which it is in the meeting > that I > attended in 2001 that day to establish the ground work for a newly > emergent > international criminal court.)))))))))))))))))))))))))))) > > In particular., since "Spain" was so overtly unafraid in bringing up > this topic of trading > financial funding the ICC for influence over its future judicial > appointments and verdicts > in front of every other UN member state present that day at the UN, > "Spain" must have > already known by previous experience the topic of bribery was > "socially acceptable" for > conversation that day. They must have previously spoke about bribing > the ICTY and ICC > before in meetings; this is my take an international sociological > honor student. > > SPAIN's diplomatic gesture of international justice insofar as, > Serbia, in all of this is, > disgusting morally! > > SPAIN HAS TAUGHT THE WORLD THE TRUE DEFINITION OF AN > "INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT." > > I remind everyone, when I attended those ICC Preparatory Meetings in > 2001, witnessing > first hand the country plenipotentiary representatives present with > me discussing so > openly, trading judicial funding of a new international criminal > court, for its direct > judicial appointments and judicial verdicts, those same state powers > were > > concurrently, > > those same countries and people were already simultaneously, funding > the already > established ICTY which was issuing at that time, arrest warrants for > Bosnian Serbs > under false primary diplomatic pretenses. > > The ICTY and ICC is just where it should be for once. > Cornered and backed into and an international wall, scared like a > corned animal (and I > bet it reacts in the same way a rabid cornered animal does too in > such circumstances). > (ICTY associates) > > http://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa/ViewMyHagueInternationalCriminal > CourtPreparat > oryDocumentsFromThe2001UnitedNations# > (Evidence Against the ICTY) > > http://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa/DuringTheTrialOfRamushHaradinajI > n2006TheHag > ueWarCrimesTribunalForTheFormerYugoslavi# > (Documents: Hague war crimes tribunal for the former Yugoslavia > (ICTY) has destroyed > all material evidence about the monstrous KLA Albanian/KLA organ > trade in Kosovo) > > I represented the state interests' of the Former Yugoslavia, in > Darko Trifunovic’s > absence in those meetings and I am proud to undertake this effort on > Serbia’s behalf. > > ==================================================================== > ============== > As totally immersed and interesting as I found the topics, the > African ambassador seated found boring. I say this owing to noticing > during the entire meeting he was merely doodling nonsensical > pictures on some legal pad. I think that no one took more notes that > day than me. I was especially interested in the interstate bickering > about financing the international criminal court should and when it > came about. Spain was particularly forceful in vocalizing its > opinion that the countries giving the most monetary contributions to > the court itself ought have more power over both its staffing and > its innocent and guilty verdicts as well as judges appointed. My > suspicions’ equally shared by scholars such as Noam Chomsky and > former attorney general, Ramsey Clark were now fully justifiably > confirmed. The court itself was a great travesty of justice and I > was actually witnessing quarrels between countries insofar as > controlling the courts judges and verdicts based on financial > contributions rather than on law and true international justice. > > PART I->Additional Photo Documentary Evidence Against the ICTY Court > at the Hague > > PART II- Additional Photo Documentary Evidence of ICTY Hague Court > Criminality > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jill StarrCreate > your badge > > Attachments (15) > > * icc1.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:27 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) > Remove > 126k View Download > > * icc2.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:27 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) > Remove > 169k View Download > > * icc3.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:28 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) > Remove > 133k View Download > > * icc4.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:28 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) > Remove > 159k View Download > > * icc5.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:28 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) > Remove > 172k View Download > > * icc6.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:28 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) > Remove > 168k View Download > > * icc7.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:28 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) > Remove > 172k View Download > > * icc88.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:28 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) > Remove > 157k View Download > > * icc9.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:29 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) > Remove > 158k View Download > > * iccanada1.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:29 PM by Jill Starr (version > 1) Remove > 110k View Download > > * iccanada2.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:29 PM by Jill Starr (version > 1) Remove > 149k View Download > > * iccanada3.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:29 PM by Jill Starr (version > 1) Remove > 179k View Download > > * icclast1.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:29 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) > Remove > 75k View Download > > * iccolumbia1.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:29 PM by Jill Starr (version > 1) Remove > 167k View Download > > * iccolumbia2.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:30 PM by Jill Starr (version > 1) Remove > 198k View Download > > Top of Form > > Attach a file: > > Bottom of Form > > Comments (2) > > _displayNameOrEmail_ - _time_ - Remove > > _text_ > > Jill Starr - Dec 19, 2009 10:06 AM - Remove > > Several seasons went by and now it was spring 2001. Darko and his > wife Bojana had time off which they spent visiting friends and > family in Serbia for about two weeks. Because of this Darko was > unable to function in full diplomatic capacity. In spring 2001 > there was a preparatory commission meeting of plenipotentiaries to > establish an international criminal court at the United Nations in > New York City. Topics of the meeting included but were not limited > to defining interstate acts of aggression, court financing etc.. > Darko asked me if I would sit in for him at the meeting taking as > many notes possible owing to the Law Projects Center possessing > United Nations accreditation as a NGO (non governmental > organization) with full observer status at the United Nations; I > acceded. > > Darko faxed me all necessary paperwork enabling my application > attendance at this crucial meeting; I filled out the necessary > forms and faxed them to the appropriate United Nations office for > approval. It was an extremely exciting time for me. My close > friend and colleague, Arnold Stark (History professor and > Columbian University PhD) drove me into Manhattan walking me > through the United Nations main entrance and security the day of > attendance. Professor Stark himself was an old foreign service man > from way back in the day and he told me I never looked as > professionally sharp as I did on that day; I wore a navy blue pin > striped suit. I must admit, I looked good. > > Only post attending that day did I truly understand the total > lapse of security existing then at the United Nations in New York > City. I say this owing to the social fact that the Law Projects > Center was indeed registered as an United nations accredited NGO > it is true. However, closed meetings of this sort meant attendance > was strictly limited to head ambassadors of valid United Nations > member state missions and non governmental organizations > possessing observer status were not allowed. > > Unto present, I’ve yet understood whereby I gained entrance into > this privy closed meeting consisting of only United Nations > ambassadors, but I did. Walking to the basement floor of the > United Nations building that day, I merely wore a visitors badge > given to me at the front desk in no manner indicating that I was > an ambassador of a United Nations mission; least of all the Bosnia > mission as required for entrance. Totally unaware I didn’t possess > necessary credentials to enter the meeting, I walked confidently > towards the entrance door and past the guard stationed outside it. > The guard never bothering to examine the type of badge I wore > around my neck simply said “good day Madame” and urged me into the > meeting; it was just about time to begin. > > I immediately sensed something wrong once through the door past > the guard. First, I was uncertain where to sit. Everyone else had > a sign in front of their seat stating their country of origin. The > Israeli ambassador sat in front of the Israel sign, the Spanish > lady sat in front of the seat indicating she represented, Spain > etc.. > > I looked fervently around the room seeing no seats indicating > seats for United Nations observers anywhere. The last thing I > wanted to do was to embarrass myself by taking the seat of an > important ambassador; I noticed a couple of men seeming from some > African state grabbing some meeting paperwork nearby so I inquired > of them. > I told them I was a newbie and inquired where to sit and what I > should do. With heavy African accents one of them said, “just grab > a bunch of these papers, sit there and look like you are busy,” so > I did. In fact, I grabbed as many extra copies as I could without > looking conspicuous when noticing another peculiarity. > > The meeting papers indicated they were for restricted for the eyes > of state mission heads’ only (chief ambassadors of countries) and > allowing other persons and/or United Nations employees to view > them was a punishable offense. Uncertain what to do, and with the > meeting beginning, I merely sat there stunned. My seat and the one > the African gentleman next to me took seemed extras because they > neglected having any indication regarding country origin in front > of them on the table; I felt safe. > > As totally immersed and interesting as I found the topics, the > African ambassador seated found boring. I say this owing to > noticing during the entire meeting he was merely doodling > nonsensical pictures on some legal pad. I think that no one took > more notes that day than me. I was especially interested in the > interstate bickering about financing the international criminal > court should and when it came about. Spain was particularly > forceful in vocalizing its opinion that the countries giving the > most monetary contributions to the court itself ought have more > power over both its staffing and its innocent and guilty verdicts > as well as judges appointed. My suspicions’ equally shared by > scholars such as Noam Chomsky and former attorney general, Ramsey > Clark were now fully justifiably confirmed. The court itself was a > great travesty of justice and I was actually witnessing quarrels > between countries insofar as controlling the courts judges and > verdicts based on financial contributions rather than on law and > true international justice. > > The most shocking point of the meeting for me was when the Israeli > ambassador admitted openly to the other attendees that Israel was > indifferent to war crimes, crimes against humanity and would in no > manner support any international structure limiting its’ ability > for practicing war and peace against any other state and/or party > it considered a threat to its national interest. > > The ambassador representing the United States that day strongly > and equally explicitly backed the Israeli position making clear > American attendance was more for information gathering purposes > and show than true concern for international law, world peace and > social justice. When the meeting ended I slipped quickly out the > front entrance of the United Nations; notes and papers in hand; I > would read them in detail later that evening. When I attended > these Preparatory Meetings at the end, the First Ambassador to the > Bosnian Mission in NYC (The Serbian Doctor with glasses) came in > but only stayed a short while as my witness to my being there. > > > It must have amazed Darko upon returning from Serbia I actually > gained entrance to the ICC preparatory closed meeting because > within a week he invited me to the city to attend another > important meeting at the United Nations comprised of diplomats > from some very selective and prestigious NATO member states. I > don’t recall the date but by his return fully I understood the > definition of a closed meeting. Upon approaching the meeting door > I became at once cognizant the meeting stated “closed meeting,” on > the door. I did my best to point this fact out to Darko who told > me to go in with him anyway; we did. Darko obviously thought > because I gained entrance to the ICC meeting I ought not have in > his absence, perhaps if I were with him, he covertly could gain > access this closed NATO meeting; no dice. Upon entering the room, > immediately some important looking man called him over and > diplomatically informed him that “Serbia was not invited.” Darko > pointed to me explaining that he was with the American lady but he > was asked politely to leave; I followed him out the door > embarrassed. > > The following year was mundane. Filled with activities like > shuttling back and forth to FDU for graduate school, fund raising > for the Law Projects Center and co-authoring two book with Darko. > The fateful day of 9/11 and the attacks by Al-Qaeda on the World > Trade Center Towers in New York City changed my venue forever. > Post 9/11 Darko became a man on a personal mission seemingly > unrelated to the Bosnian mission itself. > > He told me it was the utmost importance to publicize the alleged > fact that the head ambassador of the Bosnian mission was in his > estimation involved with Al-Qaeda. > > Darko had a seemingly ton of secret documentary evidence emanating > from the ministry of internal affairs in Belgrade and Bosnia > seeming true bolstering his allegations in my eyes then. > > Asking me to fervently work on editing a book on which topic was > meant for exposing the head ambassador of the Bosnian mission at > that time; I acceded. The publication was later published by the > Repubika Srpska information agency in Bosnia. The Serbian > government in the Republika Srpska in Bosnia then was seriously > pressing Darko for a fast publication so we stayed up many nights > over his apartment in Forest Hills, New York working to do so. The > book was entitled, ”The Bosnia Model of Al-Qaeda Terrorism. It can > probably still be found and read online. Last time I checked it > was posted on the website: > http://www.analyst-network.com/profile.php?user_id=240. > > Darko always told me I possessed full rights to this and other > publications we worked on together. Although I edited and > co-authoring the Al-Qaeda work, a few years back I noticed Darko > removed my name on the inner front cover page as editor replacing > it with the name of a Serbian editor. When questioned about it > Darko told me he kept my name from being published because of the > death threats and dangers to my life that he himself encountered > because of its publication. I do vividly remember Darko receiving > a great many death threats and threats towards his wife at the > time, Bojana. > > Jill Starr - Oct 17, 2010 7:03 PM - Remove > > On an end note, also attending the ICC meeting that day along with > me (although my memory is vague), was US Diplomat Richard > Holbrook. > > > > I DO vaguely remember his thick dark brown eye glasses and face > filled up with potholes from pimples. As the Spain representative > was discussing the proposition of bribery for financial funding of > the ICC, Holbrook merely nodded his head (and he had a paper > tablet and pen in his hand as well) ... HOLBROOK NEVER ONCE SAID > EVEN ONE WORD TO SPAIN CENSORING THEM FOR BRINGING UP THE TOPIC OF > JUDICIAL BRIBERY WHICH WAS ILLEGAL BY ALL LEGAL STANDARDS! > > JIll Starr > > LPC NYC USA > > Top of Form > > > > Add comment > > Bottom of Form > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > > > >_______________________________________________ >Discuss mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss
