[email protected] now requires moderator approval for new postings. On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Karl Fogel <[email protected]>wrote:
> Fred Benenson <[email protected]> writes: > >uhh > > Does someone have admin privs for > > http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > ? No reason to think hard about this: that sender ([email protected]) > should simply not be able to send to the list anymore, period. > > -K > > > >~ ~ ~ > >thoughts / http://fredbenenson.com/blog > >work / http://kickstarter.com > >sights / http://flickr.com/fcb > >sounds / http://www.last.fm/user/mecredis > >status / http://twitter.com/mecredis > > > > > > > >On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Jill Louise Starr > ><[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Irrefutable Proof ICTY Is Corrupt Court/Irrefutable Proof the > > Hague Court Cannot Legitimately Prosecute Karadzic Case > > > > posted Oct 5, 2009 10:02 AM by Jill Starr [ updated Jan 22, 2011 > > 2:37 AM ] > > > > > > > > > > Delicious Digg Facebook Reddit Stumble Upon Technorati Mixx > > Sphinn Twitter SphereIt Propeller Gmarks Newsvine Yahoo! My Web > > Live Journal Blinklist E-mail > > > > Photo 7631 of 7631 Back to Album · My Photos > > > > * Previous > > > > * Next > > > > > > Click on people's faces in the > > photo to tag them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Irrefutable Proof ICTY Is Corrupt Court/Irrefutable Proof the Hague > > Court Cannot > > Legitimately Prosecute Karadzic Case > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa > > > > https://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa/IrrefutableProofICTYIsCorruptCo > > urtIrrefutabl# > > (The Documentary Secret United Nations ICC Meeting Papers Scanned > > Images) > > > > > > This legal technicality indicates the Hague must dismiss charges > > against Dr Karadzic and > > others awaiting trials in the Hague jail; like it or not. > > > > Unfortunately for the Signatures Of the Rome Statute United Nations > > member states > > instituting the ICC & ICTY housed at the Hague, insofar as the, > > Radovan Karadzic, as > > with the other Hague cases awaiting trial there, I personally > > witnessed these United > > Nations member states having a substantial conversation and openly > > speaking about trading judicial appointments and verdicts for > > financial funding when I attended the 2001 ICC Preparatory Meetings > > at the UN in Manhattan making the iCTY and ICC morally incapable > > trying Radovan Karazdic and others. > > > > I witnessed with my own eyes and ears when attending the 2001 > > Preparatory Meetings to > > establish an newly emergent International Criminal Court, the exact > > caliber of criminal > > corruption running so very deeply at the Hague, that it was a > > perfectly viable topic of > > legitimate conversation in those meetings I attended to debate > > trading verdicts AND > > judicial appointments, for monetary funding. > > > > Jilly wrote:*The rep from Spain became distraught and when her > > country’s proposal was > > not taken to well by the chair of the meeting , then Spain argued in > > a particularly loud > > and noticably strongly vocal manner, “Spain (my country) strongly > > believes if we > > contribute most financial support to the Hague’s highest court, that > > ought to give us and > > other countries feeding it financially MORE direct power over its > > decisions.” > > > > ((((((((((((((((((((((((( ((((((((((((((((((((((((( Instead of > > censoring the country representative > > from Spain for even bringing up this unjust, illegal and unfair > > judicial idea of bribery for > > international judicial verdicts and judicial appointments, all > > country representatives > > present in the meeting that day all treated the Spain proposition as > > a ”totally legitimate > > topic” discussed and debated it between each other for some time. I > > was quite shocked! > > The idea was "let's discuss it." "It's a great topic to discuss." > > > > Some countries agreed with Spain’s propositions while others did > > not. The point here is, > > bribery for judicial verdicts and judicial appointments was treated > > as a totally legitimate > > topic instead of an illegitimate toic which it is in the meeting > > that I > > attended in 2001 that day to establish the ground work for a newly > > emergent > > international criminal court.)))))))))))))))))))))))))))) > > > > In particular., since "Spain" was so overtly unafraid in bringing up > > this topic of trading > > financial funding the ICC for influence over its future judicial > > appointments and verdicts > > in front of every other UN member state present that day at the UN, > > "Spain" must have > > already known by previous experience the topic of bribery was > > "socially acceptable" for > > conversation that day. They must have previously spoke about bribing > > the ICTY and ICC > > before in meetings; this is my take an international sociological > > honor student. > > > > SPAIN's diplomatic gesture of international justice insofar as, > > Serbia, in all of this is, > > disgusting morally! > > > > SPAIN HAS TAUGHT THE WORLD THE TRUE DEFINITION OF AN > > "INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT." > > > > I remind everyone, when I attended those ICC Preparatory Meetings in > > 2001, witnessing > > first hand the country plenipotentiary representatives present with > > me discussing so > > openly, trading judicial funding of a new international criminal > > court, for its direct > > judicial appointments and judicial verdicts, those same state powers > > were > > > > concurrently, > > > > those same countries and people were already simultaneously, funding > > the already > > established ICTY which was issuing at that time, arrest warrants for > > Bosnian Serbs > > under false primary diplomatic pretenses. > > > > The ICTY and ICC is just where it should be for once. > > Cornered and backed into and an international wall, scared like a > > corned animal (and I > > bet it reacts in the same way a rabid cornered animal does too in > > such circumstances). > > (ICTY associates) > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa/ViewMyHagueInternationalCriminal > > CourtPreparat > > oryDocumentsFromThe2001UnitedNations# > > (Evidence Against the ICTY) > > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa/DuringTheTrialOfRamushHaradinajI > > n2006TheHag > > ueWarCrimesTribunalForTheFormerYugoslavi# > > (Documents: Hague war crimes tribunal for the former Yugoslavia > > (ICTY) has destroyed > > all material evidence about the monstrous KLA Albanian/KLA organ > > trade in Kosovo) > > > > I represented the state interests' of the Former Yugoslavia, in > > Darko Trifunovic’s > > absence in those meetings and I am proud to undertake this effort on > > Serbia’s behalf. > > > > ==================================================================== > > ============== > > As totally immersed and interesting as I found the topics, the > > African ambassador seated found boring. I say this owing to noticing > > during the entire meeting he was merely doodling nonsensical > > pictures on some legal pad. I think that no one took more notes that > > day than me. I was especially interested in the interstate bickering > > about financing the international criminal court should and when it > > came about. Spain was particularly forceful in vocalizing its > > opinion that the countries giving the most monetary contributions to > > the court itself ought have more power over both its staffing and > > its innocent and guilty verdicts as well as judges appointed. My > > suspicions’ equally shared by scholars such as Noam Chomsky and > > former attorney general, Ramsey Clark were now fully justifiably > > confirmed. The court itself was a great travesty of justice and I > > was actually witnessing quarrels between countries insofar as > > controlling the courts judges and verdicts based on financial > > contributions rather than on law and true international justice. > > > > PART I->Additional Photo Documentary Evidence Against the ICTY Court > > at the Hague > > > > PART II- Additional Photo Documentary Evidence of ICTY Hague Court > > Criminality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jill StarrCreate > > your badge > > > > Attachments (15) > > > > * icc1.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:27 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) > > Remove > > 126k View Download > > > > * icc2.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:27 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) > > Remove > > 169k View Download > > > > * icc3.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:28 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) > > Remove > > 133k View Download > > > > * icc4.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:28 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) > > Remove > > 159k View Download > > > > * icc5.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:28 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) > > Remove > > 172k View Download > > > > * icc6.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:28 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) > > Remove > > 168k View Download > > > > * icc7.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:28 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) > > Remove > > 172k View Download > > > > * icc88.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:28 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) > > Remove > > 157k View Download > > > > * icc9.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:29 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) > > Remove > > 158k View Download > > > > * iccanada1.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:29 PM by Jill Starr (version > > 1) Remove > > 110k View Download > > > > * iccanada2.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:29 PM by Jill Starr (version > > 1) Remove > > 149k View Download > > > > * iccanada3.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:29 PM by Jill Starr (version > > 1) Remove > > 179k View Download > > > > * icclast1.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:29 PM by Jill Starr (version 1) > > Remove > > 75k View Download > > > > * iccolumbia1.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:29 PM by Jill Starr (version > > 1) Remove > > 167k View Download > > > > * iccolumbia2.jpg - on Oct 31, 2009 7:30 PM by Jill Starr (version > > 1) Remove > > 198k View Download > > > > Top of Form > > > > Attach a file: > > > > Bottom of Form > > > > Comments (2) > > > > _displayNameOrEmail_ - _time_ - Remove > > > > _text_ > > > > Jill Starr - Dec 19, 2009 10:06 AM - Remove > > > > Several seasons went by and now it was spring 2001. Darko and his > > wife Bojana had time off which they spent visiting friends and > > family in Serbia for about two weeks. Because of this Darko was > > unable to function in full diplomatic capacity. In spring 2001 > > there was a preparatory commission meeting of plenipotentiaries to > > establish an international criminal court at the United Nations in > > New York City. Topics of the meeting included but were not limited > > to defining interstate acts of aggression, court financing etc.. > > Darko asked me if I would sit in for him at the meeting taking as > > many notes possible owing to the Law Projects Center possessing > > United Nations accreditation as a NGO (non governmental > > organization) with full observer status at the United Nations; I > > acceded. > > > > Darko faxed me all necessary paperwork enabling my application > > attendance at this crucial meeting; I filled out the necessary > > forms and faxed them to the appropriate United Nations office for > > approval. It was an extremely exciting time for me. My close > > friend and colleague, Arnold Stark (History professor and > > Columbian University PhD) drove me into Manhattan walking me > > through the United Nations main entrance and security the day of > > attendance. Professor Stark himself was an old foreign service man > > from way back in the day and he told me I never looked as > > professionally sharp as I did on that day; I wore a navy blue pin > > striped suit. I must admit, I looked good. > > > > Only post attending that day did I truly understand the total > > lapse of security existing then at the United Nations in New York > > City. I say this owing to the social fact that the Law Projects > > Center was indeed registered as an United nations accredited NGO > > it is true. However, closed meetings of this sort meant attendance > > was strictly limited to head ambassadors of valid United Nations > > member state missions and non governmental organizations > > possessing observer status were not allowed. > > > > Unto present, I’ve yet understood whereby I gained entrance into > > this privy closed meeting consisting of only United Nations > > ambassadors, but I did. Walking to the basement floor of the > > United Nations building that day, I merely wore a visitors badge > > given to me at the front desk in no manner indicating that I was > > an ambassador of a United Nations mission; least of all the Bosnia > > mission as required for entrance. Totally unaware I didn’t possess > > necessary credentials to enter the meeting, I walked confidently > > towards the entrance door and past the guard stationed outside it. > > The guard never bothering to examine the type of badge I wore > > around my neck simply said “good day Madame” and urged me into the > > meeting; it was just about time to begin. > > > > I immediately sensed something wrong once through the door past > > the guard. First, I was uncertain where to sit. Everyone else had > > a sign in front of their seat stating their country of origin. The > > Israeli ambassador sat in front of the Israel sign, the Spanish > > lady sat in front of the seat indicating she represented, Spain > > etc.. > > > > I looked fervently around the room seeing no seats indicating > > seats for United Nations observers anywhere. The last thing I > > wanted to do was to embarrass myself by taking the seat of an > > important ambassador; I noticed a couple of men seeming from some > > African state grabbing some meeting paperwork nearby so I inquired > > of them. > > I told them I was a newbie and inquired where to sit and what I > > should do. With heavy African accents one of them said, “just grab > > a bunch of these papers, sit there and look like you are busy,” so > > I did. In fact, I grabbed as many extra copies as I could without > > looking conspicuous when noticing another peculiarity. > > > > The meeting papers indicated they were for restricted for the eyes > > of state mission heads’ only (chief ambassadors of countries) and > > allowing other persons and/or United Nations employees to view > > them was a punishable offense. Uncertain what to do, and with the > > meeting beginning, I merely sat there stunned. My seat and the one > > the African gentleman next to me took seemed extras because they > > neglected having any indication regarding country origin in front > > of them on the table; I felt safe. > > > > As totally immersed and interesting as I found the topics, the > > African ambassador seated found boring. I say this owing to > > noticing during the entire meeting he was merely doodling > > nonsensical pictures on some legal pad. I think that no one took > > more notes that day than me. I was especially interested in the > > interstate bickering about financing the international criminal > > court should and when it came about. Spain was particularly > > forceful in vocalizing its opinion that the countries giving the > > most monetary contributions to the court itself ought have more > > power over both its staffing and its innocent and guilty verdicts > > as well as judges appointed. My suspicions’ equally shared by > > scholars such as Noam Chomsky and former attorney general, Ramsey > > Clark were now fully justifiably confirmed. The court itself was a > > great travesty of justice and I was actually witnessing quarrels > > between countries insofar as controlling the courts judges and > > verdicts based on financial contributions rather than on law and > > true international justice. > > > > The most shocking point of the meeting for me was when the Israeli > > ambassador admitted openly to the other attendees that Israel was > > indifferent to war crimes, crimes against humanity and would in no > > manner support any international structure limiting its’ ability > > for practicing war and peace against any other state and/or party > > it considered a threat to its national interest. > > > > The ambassador representing the United States that day strongly > > and equally explicitly backed the Israeli position making clear > > American attendance was more for information gathering purposes > > and show than true concern for international law, world peace and > > social justice. When the meeting ended I slipped quickly out the > > front entrance of the United Nations; notes and papers in hand; I > > would read them in detail later that evening. When I attended > > these Preparatory Meetings at the end, the First Ambassador to the > > Bosnian Mission in NYC (The Serbian Doctor with glasses) came in > > but only stayed a short while as my witness to my being there. > > > > > > It must have amazed Darko upon returning from Serbia I actually > > gained entrance to the ICC preparatory closed meeting because > > within a week he invited me to the city to attend another > > important meeting at the United Nations comprised of diplomats > > from some very selective and prestigious NATO member states. I > > don’t recall the date but by his return fully I understood the > > definition of a closed meeting. Upon approaching the meeting door > > I became at once cognizant the meeting stated “closed meeting,” on > > the door. I did my best to point this fact out to Darko who told > > me to go in with him anyway; we did. Darko obviously thought > > because I gained entrance to the ICC meeting I ought not have in > > his absence, perhaps if I were with him, he covertly could gain > > access this closed NATO meeting; no dice. Upon entering the room, > > immediately some important looking man called him over and > > diplomatically informed him that “Serbia was not invited.” Darko > > pointed to me explaining that he was with the American lady but he > > was asked politely to leave; I followed him out the door > > embarrassed. > > > > The following year was mundane. Filled with activities like > > shuttling back and forth to FDU for graduate school, fund raising > > for the Law Projects Center and co-authoring two book with Darko. > > The fateful day of 9/11 and the attacks by Al-Qaeda on the World > > Trade Center Towers in New York City changed my venue forever. > > Post 9/11 Darko became a man on a personal mission seemingly > > unrelated to the Bosnian mission itself. > > > > He told me it was the utmost importance to publicize the alleged > > fact that the head ambassador of the Bosnian mission was in his > > estimation involved with Al-Qaeda. > > > > Darko had a seemingly ton of secret documentary evidence emanating > > from the ministry of internal affairs in Belgrade and Bosnia > > seeming true bolstering his allegations in my eyes then. > > > > Asking me to fervently work on editing a book on which topic was > > meant for exposing the head ambassador of the Bosnian mission at > > that time; I acceded. The publication was later published by the > > Repubika Srpska information agency in Bosnia. The Serbian > > government in the Republika Srpska in Bosnia then was seriously > > pressing Darko for a fast publication so we stayed up many nights > > over his apartment in Forest Hills, New York working to do so. The > > book was entitled, ”The Bosnia Model of Al-Qaeda Terrorism. It can > > probably still be found and read online. Last time I checked it > > was posted on the website: > > http://www.analyst-network.com/profile.php?user_id=240. > > > > Darko always told me I possessed full rights to this and other > > publications we worked on together. Although I edited and > > co-authoring the Al-Qaeda work, a few years back I noticed Darko > > removed my name on the inner front cover page as editor replacing > > it with the name of a Serbian editor. When questioned about it > > Darko told me he kept my name from being published because of the > > death threats and dangers to my life that he himself encountered > > because of its publication. I do vividly remember Darko receiving > > a great many death threats and threats towards his wife at the > > time, Bojana. > > > > Jill Starr - Oct 17, 2010 7:03 PM - Remove > > > > On an end note, also attending the ICC meeting that day along with > > me (although my memory is vague), was US Diplomat Richard > > Holbrook. > > > > > > > > I DO vaguely remember his thick dark brown eye glasses and face > > filled up with potholes from pimples. As the Spain representative > > was discussing the proposition of bribery for financial funding of > > the ICC, Holbrook merely nodded his head (and he had a paper > > tablet and pen in his hand as well) ... HOLBROOK NEVER ONCE SAID > > EVEN ONE WORD TO SPAIN CENSORING THEM FOR BRINGING UP THE TOPIC OF > > JUDICIAL BRIBERY WHICH WAS ILLEGAL BY ALL LEGAL STANDARDS! > > > > JIll Starr > > > > LPC NYC USA > > > > Top of Form > > > > > > > > Add comment > > > > Bottom of Form > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Discuss mailing list > >[email protected] > >http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > -- Alec Story Cornell University Biological Sciences, Computer Science 2012
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