http://www.huffingtonpost.com/travis-morrison/hey-dude-from-cracker-im_b_1610557.htmlvia Katie Baxter
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Aditi Rajaram <[email protected]>wrote: > Stoked that we're responding (opened up the PiratePad and looking through > now). The original piece made me so mad I had to stop in the middle a > couple a times before I could go back and finish reading it. > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Jennifer Baek <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I agree with you... It might be worth it to address that. He's definitely >> trying to appeal to ones emotions and morality. I got a hint of religious >> rhetoric. Paying penance?! >> >> I won't be around a computer for a greater part of the day tomorrow since >> I'm going on a field trip with my internship tomorrow. >> >> Everyone, please continue to mark up the piratepad: >> http://piratepad.net/KY6e7xIdkm >> >> After we've brainstormed, we'll work on polishing our response! >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Alex Kozak <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Sorry for taking this a bit off track (continue scheming response etc) >>> but something in the response really upsets me, which is the subtle >>> implication that culture abundance and loving music contributed to his >>> friend's suicide. Not cool. >>> >>> These guys just seem completely out of touch with our generation. >>> On Jun 19, 2012 8:57 PM, "Alex Leavitt" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hit a NYT blog: >>>> http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/19/npr-intern-gets-an-earful-after-blogging-about-11000-songs-almost-none-paid-for/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Karl Fogel < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> [Unifying two threads here by adding QCO discuss@ list as a recipient >>>>> -- >>>>> we'd been discussing this over there too.] >>>>> >>>>> So, Nina Paley just pointed out that the wonderful (and fast) Mike >>>>> Masnick of Techdirt has posted this quick response piece: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120619/11493419390/david-lowery-wants-pony.shtml >>>>> >>>>> I really like Mike's response, but there's an important thing it >>>>> doesn't >>>>> do, which is turn the tables on David Lowery's morality argument. >>>>> >>>>> Masnick basically says "This is the new reality: get over it, and find >>>>> a >>>>> way to work in it, because you have no choice. Asking for anything >>>>> else >>>>> is asking for a pony." (Okay, I'm paraphrasing!) >>>>> >>>>> That's a useful message, but it's still essentially an amoral -- by >>>>> which I do *not* mean "immoral" -- argument. Yet I don't see any >>>>> reason >>>>> to cede the moral high ground to Lowery. He's the one arguing against >>>>> people sharing culture, and in favor of monopoly and control, after >>>>> all. >>>>> >>>>> So despite Masnick's excellent job, I think there's a big opening for a >>>>> deeper and explicitly anti-monopoly rebuttal here, and that it will get >>>>> some traction. >>>>> >>>>> I'm sending this partly for Jennifer Baek's benefit, since she's >>>>> working >>>>> on a rebuttal (along with anyone else who wants to, of course). Jen, >>>>> Masnick's piece is worth reading, and maybe referring to, but I >>>>> certainly don't think it says everything that could be said. >>>>> >>>>> Also, just to second what Alex Leavitt said: "Wow! I'm so glad to see >>>>> the amazing discussion this has generated." Absolutely! David may >>>>> have >>>>> written a bad essay, but he's still generating something good... >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> -K >>>>> >>>>> Nate Otto <[email protected]> writes: >>>>> >I'll take a look at the etherpad later, but I'd caution against doing >>>>> >a whole point-by-point rebuttal of the letter. I think a concise >>>>> >response focusing on just one or two main points would ultimately be >>>>> >more effective. (But I'm no longer a student, and I can't say that I >>>>> >speak for SFC, only as an independent supporter of free culture) >>>>> > >>>>> >The points that stood out for me as asking for response are first: the >>>>> >main thrust that individuals have a responsibility to pay the >>>>> >structures currently set up to support artists and petition the >>>>> >government in support of the "property rights" framing that in turn >>>>> >supports these entrenched players and to not question whether this all >>>>> >makes sense in the context of the Internet, which is the best media >>>>> >distribution system the world has ever seen. >>>>> > >>>>> >The second is: >>>>> >"What the corporate backed Free Culture movement is asking us to do is >>>>> >analogous to changing our morality and principles to allow the >>>>> >equivalent of looting." >>>>> > >>>>> >Changing the metaphors underlying "culture as property" is a possible >>>>> >outcome of the Free Culture movement. We are having a conversation >>>>> >about how to have a free culture where artists can live happily. >>>>> >Entrenched players may join in, but they have to realize that >>>>> >"looting" is a word that comes out of their framing of the issue; we >>>>> >may not accept that framing as what is needed to support a 21st C >>>>> >(conected) culture. >>>>> > >>>>> >-Nate >>>>> > >>>>> >_______________________________________________ >>>>> >Discuss mailing list >>>>> >[email protected] >>>>> >http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> >FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > >
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