Thanks, I appreciate your helpfulness and I can't really say any more than I already have.
(I don't mean to exclude other people if others want to join in or reply further.) On Fri, Jan 16, 2026, at 10:44 PM, Rich Pieri wrote: > On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 17:07:10 -0500 > "Randall Rose" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Rich, >> >> Thanks, you make several good points. >> >> Most of my criticism of Debian still stands. The installer that is >> run from the Debian iso does allow installing some features that will >> listen to network traffic (though you can uncheck those options). > > So what? Debian lets you do a lot of things, but it NEVER holds your > hand. If you choose to install something, the responsibility to get it > right is yours. > > For what it's worth, I manage on the order of 3000 Linux machines, > mostly RHEL and Ubuntu. First thing I do on every one is stop and > disable the firewall service. These machines absolutely can connect to > public Internet services. NONE have ever been compromised under my > watch > >> I want to make sure my point about ufw and iptables is clear. I >> definitely did not say I was mixing ufw and iptables in the sense of >> running iptables commands on the same machine that runs ufw. I hope > > From original post: >>> run ufw enable, dump output of iptables-save and ip6tables-save in >>> text files (same version of iptables) > > This is mixing iptables with ufw. > >> My question is why is that, after taking that ufw-derived set of >> iptables commands and running them on a Debian machine that doesn't >> have ufw, I still find that Firefox on that Debian machine can't >> access any websites? And since this ufw-derived approach (which does > > Because either your network configuration is incorrect to begin with, > or because you mixed iptables with ufw and broke that. Or both, it > could be both. You need to remove one of them in order to troubleshoot > the other. > > -- > \m/ (--) \m/ > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] https://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
