To be honest we use Solaris for the kernel features not the user land. It's easy enough to make GNU user land the preferred on a fresh OI install so I don't think that's the argument. The question to me is the packaging system and unifying in one community despite our differences. And a better name...
-J Sent via iPhone Is your email Premiere? On Nov 27, 2011, at 10:59, Michael Widmann <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi > > I'm only an "Admin" and user of several OpenIndiana installed Workstations > and Servers - and it would be really sad for me to see OI fade away. > After reading nearly the whole thread here - and as a some time ago "tester" > of nexenta core - I would be much more familiar with keeping OpenIndiana up > and well, than switching > to something that is really new work for me (linux userland on illumnos - > core - heck - as Alasdair has written - why should I use it? that's the kind > we differ - from Linux, that's one of the USP! > > Of course Zone features and crossbow and all this is pretty fine - but with > the small community on both sides and the superior work from Alasdair on > keeping > all things running and up - we all should say - > > PLEASE SIT TOGETHER and don't publish a new Distribution - we already have > one - make that better! > > So OpenIndiana - should grow and shouldn't be only "the lifeboat" - it should > become the flagship of Ex "Open" Solaris development! > > yours > > Mike > > 2011/11/27 Jason J. W. Williams <[email protected]> > Hi Alasdair, > > I think what you've done with OI is given us all using OpenSolaris a > phenomenal lifeboat. I know it is much harder for me to evangelize OI than it > ever was OpenSolaris because of the name. It's essentially an inside joke > amongst us that used Indiana, everyone else thinks of the state or the movies > and moves on. In that regard Illumian I think has a much better chance of > getting traction. Also, > the website needs a little better layout and a lot better maintenance. I'd be > willing to volunteer for that job, but to be honest, without a name change I > don't see much of a point because we need fresh blood using it. > > My concerns about Illumian is the neglect the original Nexenta and then NCP > experience. The kernels are rarely updated and the packages are ancient and > sparse. I have little faith Illumian will not suffer the same fate since > storage appliances (Nexentas business model) don't need either. This is where > OI has been far superior and why we migrated our OS servers to OI. I think > it's a little cheeky of Nexenta to piggy back off that work and go their own > way. > > Since almost no one likes IPS (apt-get at least works well and is quick) and > our community should be working together on a single distro instead of > splitting our energies since we're very small, it seems to me a middle path > should be the way forward. > > I think OIs strength lies in its packages and Nexenta's in the fact that it's > devs contribute actively to the Illumos kernel. I would like to see a truce > and Illumian developed as single path forward by both camps...one not > controlled by Nexenta and which is governed by an open board...if Nexenta is > serious about it. I'd be willing to contribute my energies and some of my > company's to that effort. > > -J > > > > > > Sent via iPhone > > Is your email Premiere? > > On Nov 26, 2011, at 19:37, Alasdair Lumsden <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 23 Nov 2011, at 19:32, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > > > >> I doubt that's terribly realistic, or even that useful. But yes, a more > >> periodic and regular release schedule is definitely something we hope for. > >> OI has had 3 releases in the 18 months or so since the project was > >> announced … this is too infrequent for an active open source project. > >> Especially one as young as ours. > > > > Unfortunately drumming up interested developers has proven exceedingly > > difficult. Without commercial backing, very few people are willing to > > invest the time and energy in making the distro. The last release stalled > > completely and took a concerted effort by richlowe and myself to get it > > pushed out. Neither Andrzej or Trisk were willing to provide any more of > > their time on it. > > > > Imagine Illumos with no Delphix, Nexenta or Joyent support. That's where > > OpenIndiana is at. It sucks, but there we go. > > > > I am rather saddened that Nexenta and Joyent have shown so little in > > helping OpenIndiana (although I appreciate there is no direct commercial > > reason for doing so). But I'm even more saddened that the greater community > > have shown little interest either. If OI were to die, it would be a big > > loss for all of us. It gets over 5000 downloads a month and has done since > > launch, which is a significant number. > > > > Perhaps this failure is my own; I have failed to drum up developer > > interest. I have no prior background in managing an open source project, > > and I also have a full time business to run, giving me insufficient time to > > devote. It just isn't enough - and sadly nobody else has really shown any > > interest in leading the project either. An early attempt to put in place an > > administrative structure showed just how disinterested people were in > > helping to manage it. > > > > Illumian on the other hand has the commercial backing of Nexenta, so I have > > no doubt that this distribution will see a greater pace of development than > > OI. It's unfortunate that things have come to this, and I hope you can > > appreciate why I and other OI developers are unhappy (bitter) about it. In > > some respects it is an indirect attempt at a coup d'état, whether > > intentional or not. You could have chosen OI as your base, and helped > > strengthen our community, but you have decided not to. > > > > When I started OI I wanted to unite the community around one solid > > community distribution. I hoped that if everybody pulled together, we could > > really build something special. But more importantly, I hoped we could stay > > relevant in an increasingly linux-centric world. To send a united message > > to the world that here is a solid distribution with serious backing. > > Instead, everybody has gone off on their own direction, weakening > > everything. This is just another example of yet more fragmentation. > > > > Illumos will continue to provide a solid kernel for Nexenta and Joyent's > > products, but I am no longer hopeful about us competing with Linux. Not as > > things stand. StormOS, Belenix, Schillix, have fractional numbers of users > > compared to OI, and I have no doubt that Illumian will become another > > marginal distribution too. If we'd all rallied around OI instead, we could > > have collectively achieved a great deal more, and fought out a bigger place > > for ourself on the operating systems stage. > > > > The last thing I want is for OI to haemorrhage users due to inactivity. You > > think they'll switch to Illumian? No. They'll bugger off to Linux. That's > > what a significant volume of users did after Oracle canned OpenSolaris. > > > > What you have done, all of you - anyone who stands to benefit from the > > success of Illumos who has ignored OI, IMHO, have shot yourself in the foot. > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > illumos-discuss > > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/182180/=now > > RSS Feed: > > https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/182180/21181056-a6eb2d37 > > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > ------------------------------------------- > illumos-discuss > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/182180/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/182180/21175862-1c3587f1 > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > -- > bayoda.com - Professional Online Backup Solutions for Small and Medium Sized > Companies > illumos-discuss | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- illumos-discuss Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/182180/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/182180/21175430-2e6923be Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21175430&id_secret=21175430-6a77cda4 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
