Question: What's wrong with "Open-Indiana" - Indiana is a closeup to Apache (the way the community should work - even if it isn't possible in terms of the CDDL)
What's really wrong with IPS Packaging? I know long time Solaris admins miss SRV4 packages - but why? We hadn't any problem with IPS And Jason - I'm on your side to say differences are good against oracle - not internal .... Mike 2011/11/27 Jason J. W. Williams <[email protected]> > To be honest we use Solaris for the kernel features not the user land. > It's easy enough to make GNU user land the preferred on a fresh OI install > so I don't think that's the argument. The question to me is the packaging > system and unifying in one community despite our differences. And a better > name... > > -J > > Sent via iPhone > > Is your email Premiere? > > On Nov 27, 2011, at 10:59, Michael Widmann <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi > > I'm only an "Admin" and user of several OpenIndiana installed Workstations > and Servers - and it would be really sad for me to see OI fade away. > After reading nearly the whole thread here - and as a some time ago > "tester" of nexenta core - I would be much more familiar with keeping > OpenIndiana up and well, than switching > to something that is really new work for me (linux userland on illumnos - > core - heck - as Alasdair has written - why should I use it? that's the > kind we differ - from Linux, that's one of the USP! > > Of course Zone features and crossbow and all this is pretty fine - but > with the small community on both sides and the superior work from Alasdair > on keeping > all things running and up - we all should say - > > PLEASE SIT TOGETHER and don't publish a new Distribution - we already > have one - make that better! > > So OpenIndiana - should grow and shouldn't be only "the lifeboat" - it > should become the flagship of Ex "Open" Solaris development! > > yours > > Mike > > 2011/11/27 Jason J. W. Williams <[email protected]> > >> Hi Alasdair, >> >> I think what you've done with OI is given us all using OpenSolaris a >> phenomenal lifeboat. I know it is much harder for me to evangelize OI than >> it ever was OpenSolaris because of the name. It's essentially an inside >> joke amongst us that used Indiana, everyone else thinks of the state or the >> movies and moves on. In that regard Illumian I think has a much better >> chance of getting traction. Also, >> the website needs a little better layout and a lot better maintenance. >> I'd be willing to volunteer for that job, but to be honest, without a name >> change I don't see much of a point because we need fresh blood using it. >> >> My concerns about Illumian is the neglect the original Nexenta and then >> NCP experience. The kernels are rarely updated and the packages are ancient >> and sparse. I have little faith Illumian will not suffer the same fate >> since storage appliances (Nexentas business model) don't need either. This >> is where OI has been far superior and why we migrated our OS servers to OI. >> I think it's a little cheeky of Nexenta to piggy back off that work and go >> their own way. >> >> Since almost no one likes IPS (apt-get at least works well and is quick) >> and our community should be working together on a single distro instead of >> splitting our energies since we're very small, it seems to me a middle path >> should be the way forward. >> >> I think OIs strength lies in its packages and Nexenta's in the fact that >> it's devs contribute actively to the Illumos kernel. I would like to see a >> truce and Illumian developed as single path forward by both camps...one not >> controlled by Nexenta and which is governed by an open board...if Nexenta >> is serious about it. I'd be willing to contribute my energies and some of >> my company's to that effort. >> >> -J >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent via iPhone >> >> Is your email Premiere? >> >> On Nov 26, 2011, at 19:37, Alasdair Lumsden <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > On 23 Nov 2011, at 19:32, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> > >> >> I doubt that's terribly realistic, or even that useful. But yes, a >> more periodic and regular release schedule is definitely something we hope >> for. OI has had 3 releases in the 18 months or so since the project was >> announced … this is too infrequent for an active open source project. >> Especially one as young as ours. >> > >> > Unfortunately drumming up interested developers has proven exceedingly >> difficult. Without commercial backing, very few people are willing to >> invest the time and energy in making the distro. The last release stalled >> completely and took a concerted effort by richlowe and myself to get it >> pushed out. Neither Andrzej or Trisk were willing to provide any more of >> their time on it. >> > >> > Imagine Illumos with no Delphix, Nexenta or Joyent support. That's >> where OpenIndiana is at. It sucks, but there we go. >> > >> > I am rather saddened that Nexenta and Joyent have shown so little in >> helping OpenIndiana (although I appreciate there is no direct commercial >> reason for doing so). But I'm even more saddened that the greater community >> have shown little interest either. If OI were to die, it would be a big >> loss for all of us. It gets over 5000 downloads a month and has done since >> launch, which is a significant number. >> > >> > Perhaps this failure is my own; I have failed to drum up developer >> interest. I have no prior background in managing an open source project, >> and I also have a full time business to run, giving me insufficient time to >> devote. It just isn't enough - and sadly nobody else has really shown any >> interest in leading the project either. An early attempt to put in place an >> administrative structure showed just how disinterested people were in >> helping to manage it. >> > >> > Illumian on the other hand has the commercial backing of Nexenta, so I >> have no doubt that this distribution will see a greater pace of development >> than OI. It's unfortunate that things have come to this, and I hope you can >> appreciate why I and other OI developers are unhappy (bitter) about it. In >> some respects it is an indirect attempt at a coup d'état, whether >> intentional or not. You could have chosen OI as your base, and helped >> strengthen our community, but you have decided not to. >> > >> > When I started OI I wanted to unite the community around one solid >> community distribution. I hoped that if everybody pulled together, we could >> really build something special. But more importantly, I hoped we could stay >> relevant in an increasingly linux-centric world. To send a united message >> to the world that here is a solid distribution with serious backing. >> Instead, everybody has gone off on their own direction, weakening >> everything. This is just another example of yet more fragmentation. >> > >> > Illumos will continue to provide a solid kernel for Nexenta and >> Joyent's products, but I am no longer hopeful about us competing with >> Linux. Not as things stand. StormOS, Belenix, Schillix, have fractional >> numbers of users compared to OI, and I have no doubt that Illumian will >> become another marginal distribution too. If we'd all rallied around OI >> instead, we could have collectively achieved a great deal more, and fought >> out a bigger place for ourself on the operating systems stage. >> > >> > The last thing I want is for OI to haemorrhage users due to inactivity. >> You think they'll switch to Illumian? No. They'll bugger off to Linux. >> That's what a significant volume of users did after Oracle canned >> OpenSolaris. >> > >> > What you have done, all of you - anyone who stands to benefit from the >> success of Illumos who has ignored OI, IMHO, have shot yourself in the foot. >> > >> > ------------------------------------------- >> > illumos-discuss >> > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/182180/=now >> > RSS Feed: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/182180/21181056-a6eb2d37 >> > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> illumos-discuss >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/182180/=now >> RSS Feed: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/182180/21175862-1c3587f1 >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > > > > -- > bayoda.com - Professional Online Backup Solutions for Small and Medium > Sized Companies > *illumos-discuss* | > Archives<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/182180/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/182180/21181056-a6eb2d37> | > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > > *illumos-discuss* | > Archives<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/182180/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/182180/21175862-1c3587f1> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > -- bayoda.com - Professional Online Backup Solutions for Small and Medium Sized Companies ------------------------------------------- illumos-discuss Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/182180/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/182180/21175430-2e6923be Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21175430&id_secret=21175430-6a77cda4 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
