Well said. Just let's work together, I do not understand why the name of the distribution can be an obstacle. I do not see any threat to OI, moreover, I think working together on the integration of new packages and the use of one illumos-userland will helps everyone. Let's just work, as Bryan said.
Sent from my iPad On Nov 28, 2011, at 1:43 AM, Bryan Cantrill <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Michael Widmann <[email protected]> > wrote: > Any comments on this joyents and nextentas? > > First, Joyent, Delphix, Nexenta and every other member of the illumos > community contributes to illumos -- to the core operating system -- which in > turn benefits everyone (OpenIndiana included). So we have in fact helped > OpenIndiana (most significantly with our KVM port to illumos, which > OpenIndiana included in its oi_151a release) -- and we will continue to do > so. > > That said, I think it's important that we as a community recognize that what > binds us is core OS technologies (ZFS, Zones, Crossbow, DTrace, KVM, etc.), > and not how those technologies are packaged and distributed. A central > aspect of the failing of OpenSolaris (in my opinion) was that we collectively > (and Sun in particular) insisted on there being only One True Path for the > entire system. At its best, this ethos manifested itself as endless > discussions on governance and voting and constitutions -- and at its worse > led to arguments, discord, politicking and fracture. > > But with illumos, we have a rebirth: we have not only fresh blood in terms > of technologists, but also (I would like to think) more tolerance around > those elements that are ancillary to those core technologies. As such, > several distributions have flowered that would have not been possible in the > shadow of OpenSolaris -- and I expect more to come. This is _healthy_ as it > means that more people (not fewer) will be exposed to our core values as new > distributions arise to fill new niches. As a community moving forward, we > need to stay focussed on the values that bind us -- and that means leading > with the technology, not pre-announcements or rhetoric or endless discussion. > To that end, I would point to the illumos hackathon as a shining example of > what we can and should be doing: similarly minded people coming together to > advance the state of the art in operating systems! > > With that, I would like to ask that we cease the friendly fire and get back > to work. Speaking personally, I am going to be spending the afternoon > finishing up the ::scalehrtime dcmd that we found so invaluable on a nasty > KVM problem this past week (patch to come on that one), and adding some code > to the panic path that would make a similar problem slightly easier to debug > -- work that I believe to be examples (if extraordinarily small ones) of the > values that bind our community... > > - Bryan > > illumos-discuss | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- illumos-discuss Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/182180/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/182180/21175430-2e6923be Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21175430&id_secret=21175430-6a77cda4 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
