hmm? I think I'm just not that cynical. the lion's share of job reqs I've ever been a part of were created by the hiring department and not by the recruitment staff. When I've been a hiring manager the only reason I created laundry lists like these is b/c the budgets required it. Not to lower salary, but b/c the reality is that unless you can make shit, your skills as a designer to communicate to all stakeholders is severely limited.
I have also learned that from my perspective for Jr. designers, I can mentor UCD stuff a lot easier and in shorter time than I can a laundry list of technical and tool stuff. I know this is the opposite of what even I have expressed in the past, but I have learned over the years that an amazing UI Developer with an open mind is easily convertable to the UX frameworks. But it is DAMN hard to ramp up a pure UXer on programming beyond simple script coding--i.e. advanced actionscript, java, .NET3.5+, etc. (those are NOT simple script coding). Flash Catalyst so far seems to be a breaking point where I can make stuff real, but I haven't seen examples of data manipulation yet. -- dave On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Anne Hjortshoj <a...@annehj.com> wrote: > > Maybe it's to lower the salary expectations? > > That's my assumption. > > -Anne > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:47 PM, j. eric townsend <j...@flatline.net> > wrote: > > Dave Malouf wrote: > >> > >> That reality is no longer true. There are a growing # of degree > >> programs that include programming, visual design, and human-centered > >> thinking than ever before. > > > > I agree that there are a lot of people fresh out of college with design > > degrees that have touched Java, AJAX, Flash and the like. (I've helped > with > > classes where they were students, even.) And there are corresponding > > entry-level job openings out there for which they are very qualified. > > > > However, we see plenty of listings out here that have a laundry list of > > technologies *and* a list of experience requirements that nobody has > > straight out of college. They clearly want a senior, experienced person > > who is both an excellent designer and technologist, but they stick "2-4 > > years experience" in the listing for reasons I don't exactly understand. > > > > Maybe it's to lower the salary expectations? > > > > > > -- > > J. E. 'jet' Townsend, IDSA > > Design, Fabrication, Hacking > > design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ > > PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8 > > ________________________________________________________________ > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! > > To post to this list ....... disc...@ixda.org > > Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe > > List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines > > List Help .................. http://www.ixda.org/help > > > > > > -- > Anne Hjortshoj | a...@annehj.com | www.annehj.com | Skype: anne-hj | > Hjortshoj is pronounced "YORT-soy." > -- Dave Malouf http://davemalouf.com/ http://twitter.com/daveixd http://scad.edu/industrialdesign http://ixda.org/ ________________________________________________________________ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ....... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .................. http://www.ixda.org/help
