Harvey -

Indeed dd will work when booting from a CD to make an OS image, even for the
older windows versions (I like http://www.sysresccd.org/).
 Just realize that it probably won't run on different hardware well... so
you will buy yourself protection against file corruption,
accidental deletion, etc, but if the hardware dies you'll have a real hard
time getting the image you made with dd working on replacement hardware,
thus the virtualization suggestion.

Cost seems to be a driving factor here.  You might look at the free
Virtualbox software:
https://www.virtualbox.org/

The problem is getting your current OSs over there.  If you are in a place
to re-install the current setup on VMs, that will work.  If you need to move
the current stack as is to a VM, you'll need special and often expensive
software (for the Windows guests).  I've had pretty good luck with
ShadowProtect for recent Windows OSs (http://www.storagecraft.com).

Nick



On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Harvey Rothenberg
<[email protected]>wrote:

> Mr. Evan Pettrey,
>
> My needs are simple to me.  I would like to have a single backup program to
> be able to either make an image Backup and/or a file-by-file backup.
>
> This way I can protect myself with an image that can be restored to a good
> known working state or that I could pick-off needed files from the other
> backup.  It could be a needed Data file or a corrupted DLL file ( which
> would be relatively easier than trying to pull the DLL from a windows
> install media, in my opinion ).  This is the simple needs that I wish to
> cover at this time.
>
> Yes, I would probably be moving some of the windows systems to a virtual
> environment later either on a Workstation or Server type system or really I
> may have need for both types of systems.  The only trouble with moving to
> Virtual (now starting to be called Cloud) is that these systems usually the
> software to manage this type of function is quite costly.
>
> I was thinking that maybe it would be better to center in on a Linux/Unix
> solution like using "dd" and "tar" from a bootable image or from the
> selected operating system.  I understand by now there are a couple of rescue
> type ISOs that would be a consideration.  I also have read that there might
> also be some versions of these two programs available for the windows
> operating system.  At least the resulting backups would be recognizable by
> most POSIX based utilities and thus provide a more flexible solution, in my
> current thinking.
>
> I hope the added information helps your understand of what I am trying to
> accomplish.  What do you think of my review of a possible choice ?
>
> Regards,
> Harvey
>
>
> "Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson
> afterwards." -- Unknown
>
> --- On *Thu, 10/13/11, Evan Pettrey <[email protected]>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Evan Pettrey <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [lopsa-discuss] Need Suggestions - For Backing Up Older
> Versions and Current Op Sys's ...
> To: "Harvey Rothenberg" <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected]
> Date: Thursday, October 13, 2011, 5:39 PM
>
>
> Harvey,
>
> I'm not clear on what you're asking for here. Can you please provide some
> more specific details in regards to what data you'd like backed up on these
> systems? Are you attempting to backup user data, system images, etc?
>
> Perhaps I'm just being dense as it is the end of the work day but I think
> some more information is needed with regards to what your objective is.
>
> Best regards,
> Evan Pettrey
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Harvey Rothenberg 
> <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> To the Members,
>
> I have several Windows based systems still operating and I will be
> introducing Virtual based systems and also Linux based systems into my needs
> for protecting them.  The Windows systems versions are Win2k SP4, Windows
> 3.1.1 w/Dos 6.2, Windows XP SP3, Vista SP1, and Win7 no SP yet.
>
> I will be adding VMWare 4.5, 7.1, and 8 to the mix on one or more of the
> systems.  I will also be using one or more of the Linux distributions
> primarily as a Host on one or two system.  Currently the Windows Win2k, Dos
> 6.2/Win 3.1.1, and Win 7 systems are independent free-standing systems.
>
> I was considering a Publisher like Acronis because they have product that
> can run on the mentioned operating systems, but if you are a private user
> they want you on their current released product only, pretty much.
>
> Their current product, like most publishers do not handle the older
> versions of any operating system, but if you had their product back in the
> day.  Their newest and most current software will work with the created
> backup sets from the older version of their products.
>
> Then there is the aspect of buying their product that covers Linux/Unix.
> You would have to buy their commercial product if you wanted to stay with
> this single publisher.  This price is not on par to a private customer costs
> (i.e. $ 50.00 it is more like $ 500.00).
>
> So I am asking my fellow members if you can make any reasonable suggestions
> for my current need.  If you need more info., just ask.
>
> I will say, Thank You ! now for anyone's assistance in my concern.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Harvey Rothenberg
>
> Systems Integrator/Security Specialist
>
> "Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson
> afterwards." -- Unknown
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