Mark, What is your definition of profession?
Carolyn On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:23 AM, M^2 <[email protected]> wrote: > It took me a long time to figure out that the referenced study/paper is > not using the word profession in the way I would. They explicitly refer to > a profession as meaning it has fixed certifying bodies like the AMA that > serve as a guarantor of a certain body of knowledge, or some other explicit > training/qualification, like a certified engineer. > > Given my widely aired views on the value of certification in general, my > initial revulsion to the statement is softened. I believe that the paper > in question is playing redefinition games, but keeping their redefinition > in mind, it reduces my concern. > > It's a long essay that goes into many different areas. I won't comment > on most of it for now at least, but it was an interesting read, even those > parts I disagreed with. > > > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Joseph Kern <[email protected]>wrote: > >> *"As you know, I work the cybersecurity trade, and I am gratified that >> ten days ago the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, on behalf of the >> Department of Homeland Security, concluded that cybersecurity should be >> seen as an occupation and not a profession because the rate of change is >> too great to consider professionalization."* >> >> Dan Geer just gave an amazing keynote (that I am currently writing up a >> review for on my blog) and this quote stuck out at me as an interesting >> topic of discussion for LOPSA. >> >> Here is the text of the keynote: http://geer.tinho.net/geer.uncc.9x13.txt >> Here is the study cited: >> http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=18446&page=R1 >> >> I don't think I've ever heard "rate of change" as being included in a >> definition of a Professional before. Does this argument carry any weight? I >> imagine Doctors and Lawyers experience a "rate of change" that is far lower >> than that of a Systems Administrator or a Security "Professional". >> >> -- >> Joseph A Kern >> [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators >> http://lopsa.org/ >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators > http://lopsa.org/ > >
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