On Jul 31, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Tracy Reed <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 09:18:28AM PDT, Will Dennis spake thusly: >> I value the mailing lists (and much less so the IRC) but those are really the >> only two things that LOPSA (National) provides that are of any use to me >> (i.e. I'd be sad if they went away.) Not sure though it takes a nat'l >> organization to run a mailing list and IRC channel tho ;) > > This seems to be the most commonly values LOPSA benefit. And mailing lists and > IRC channels are also essentially free to provide. I go to my local LOPSA > meetings occasionally but only for the socializing and technical > presentations. > But I get that sort of thing from the independently organized Linux User Group > also. Plus there are lots of independent technical meetup groups to go to for > that. > > We shouldn't ignore the fact that if LOPSA cannot find a legitimate way to > provide value to its members (paywalls are not legit IMO) And, respectfully, I disagree. When I was on the board, we heard this time and time again: the real value I get from LOPSA is the mailing lists, or IRC. It's been a recurring theme in this thread over and over again. If the MAIN THING you do that provides actual value, you're giving away for free, and you're expecting people to pay out of the goodness of their hearts, or guilt, or whatever, you're doing it wrong. The lists and IRC *are* the main value proposition of LOPSA today. They have been - literally - since its inception... for almost a decade. We, as an organization, can't stand around willing it not to be so. It is how it is. We are entering LOPSA's tenth year of existence this fall. Myriad other "value propositions" have been posited thus far, and none have come close to providing the value that the lists and IRC do. D
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