Arnulf, I tend to agree with Margherita that it makes sense to have JRC INSPIRE Technical Committee members for OSGeo developers dialog partners in the Pingpong workshop, as it allows for defining a very practical goal for it: see if and where the Technical Guidelines might be improved.
This is not to say I disagree with your thought that implementors should take more ownership of it, but maybe this workshop is not the vehicle for that, as that is a large and unorganized group of people and the workshop dialog might lose practical goal and direction. Kind regards Heikki Doeleman On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:35 PM, heikki <tropic...@gmail.com> wrote: > hi, > > I've added a section to the wiki to clarify that we're talking about two > separate events, a presentation and a workshop : > http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/INSPIRE_conference_2013#Presentation_and_workshop > . > > Kind regards > Heikki Doeleman > > > > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Francisco José Peñarrubia > <f...@scolab.es>wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> Just a few comments about the document. >> >> In "Keywords", there are Open Source projects that are not related with >> OSGeo. As far as I know, NASA Worldwind is not in OSGeo, and gvSIG CE is a >> fork of the official gvSIG, which is in incubation. >> >> About Notes and Goals, I would add something related to How JRC or >> Inspire can support OSGeo projects (using them, contributing to the >> communities, or even making some recommendations). >> >> My 2 cents. >> >> Best regards. >> >> Fran. >> >> 2013/3/15 Seven (aka Arnulf) <se...@arnulf.us> >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> Madi, >>> I am pretty sure that "Members of the JRC INSPIRE Technical Committee" >>> is also sort of "wrong". The JRC is only the "facilitator" for the >>> "INSPIRE process". They are (and definitely don't *feel*) >>> "responsible" for INSPIRE. In the end it is the member states who are >>> responsible for everything and you can't get a hold of them either >>> because they send people to do something about INSPIRE. Then there are >>> the SIGs and some companies are also involved in defining the rules, >>> some get paid, some don't, some want to influence the process so that >>> they can sell their software and so on. Slippery slopes all over the >>> place. >>> >>> - From all the quotes in this you can easily tell that definition-wise >>> this is a big mess. And it got me into trouble every single time in >>> the past ten years that I tried to interact with anybody "responsible" >>> for INSPIRE. >>> >>> My suggestion was and is that those people who have to implement >>> INSPIRE finally take ownership of it. That is broadly said "INSPIRE >>> users". But feel free to go ahead as you think fits best. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Arnulf >>> >>> >>> On 15.03.2013 12:08, Margherita Di Leo wrote: >>> > Hi Arnulf, >>> > >>> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) >>> > <se...@arnulf.us <mailto:se...@arnulf.us>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Folks, I really like the idea of the round table but changed some >>> > wording to amend the expectations for it. This was mainly to the >>> > effect of avoiding up front misunderstanding which invariably over >>> > the past years lead to unnecessary friction. >>> > >>> > >>> >> Thank you for that, it sounds way better now. We don't aim to >>> >> create any friction but to improve the dialog, so smoothing the >>> >> tone was a good thing IMHO. >>> > >>> > >>> > The whole point of INSPIRE is that there is nobody singly >>> > responsible. It has evolved over time and through the contribution >>> > of the broadest set of different people from different backgrounds >>> > and many are not even involved any more. Therefore we cannot really >>> > talk to "the people responsible for INSPIRE" - there simply are >>> > none. To avoid having one side of the table empty I changed >>> > "members of the INSPIRE Technical Committee" to "users involved >>> > with INSPIRE". Maybe that is too broad, if so please change to >>> > something else. >>> > >>> > >>> >> Here maybe there was a misunderstanding. With "Members of the >>> >> INSPIRE Technical Committee" I meant people from JRC working on >>> >> the implementation of the technical rules, so if you agree I'd >>> >> change this in: "Members of the JRC INSPIRE Technical Committee". >>> >> Users involved with INSPIRE are of course welcome as well.. >>> >>> >>> >>> > To the same effect I changed "discussion" (which always results in >>> > one winner and one loser) to "dialog" (which means that people >>> > listen to each other and learn from each other). >>> > >>> > >>> >> very good. >>> > >>> > >>> > Hope this sits well with you, otherwise feel free to revert to an >>> > earlier version. >>> > >>> > Please note that the Wiki had a hickup when saving two conflicting >>> > edits, so one intermediate version is raw HTML. I tried to save >>> > the earlier changes, mainly adding Paolo to the list of >>> > contributors. Please recheck, if you edited in the past hour or >>> > so. >>> > >>> > Looking forward to seeing some of you at the conference. >>> > >>> > >>> >> Thanks! m >>> > >>> > >>> > Cheers, Arnulf >>> > >>> > On 14.03.2013 22:14, Angelos Tzotsos wrote: >>> >> Hi Margherita, Jachym. >>> > >>> >> Margherita, thanks for the workshop proposal draft. I will >>> >> review this too. >>> > >>> >> Jachym, the abstract review is done on my side. Please have a >>> >> look. >>> > >>> >> Regards, Angelos >>> > >>> >> On 03/14/2013 10:41 PM, Margherita Di Leo wrote: >>> >>> Thank you Jachym. I also prepared the workshop proposal here >>> >>> >>> > >>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/INSPIRE_conference_2013#Tennis_table_match:_OSGeo_vs_INSPIRE >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> > >>> if you guys could also review this. And, of course, add your names and >>> >>> affiliations. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Angelos Tzotsos >>> >>> <gcpp.kal...@gmail.com <mailto:gcpp.kal...@gmail.com>>wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi Jachym, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I will review the proposal and make additions/corrections. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Regards, Angelos >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 03/14/2013 07:46 PM, Jachym Cepicky wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> can anybody please have a look at the proposal of >>> >>>> presentation of INSPIRE conference, I've prepared at [1]? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I'm not native speaker, nor do I use the language (English) >>> >>>> very fluently, so any help mostly welcomed. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I would also like to ask, if someone has the capacity and >>> >>>> inspiration, that he/she could extend or rewrite completely >>> >>>> the proposal I've prepared (and add his/her name at the >>> >>>> top). >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Thanks for help, more work will come if the proposal will be >>> >>>> accepted >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Jachym >>> >>>> >>> >>>> [1] >>> >>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/INSPIRE_conference_2013#Paper_proposal >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> > >>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> Discuss mailing >>> >>>> >>> > listDiscuss@lists.osgeo.orghttp:// >>> lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> > >>> > >>> <http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> > _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing >>> > list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org> >>> > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- Best regards, >>> > >>> > Margherita DI LEO Postdoctoral Researcher >>> > >>> > European Commission - DG JRC Institute for Environment and >>> > Sustainability (IES) Via Fermi, 2749 I-21027 Ispra (VA) - Italy - >>> > TP 261 >>> > >>> > Tel. +39 0332 78 3600 margherita.di-...@jrc.ec.europa.eu >>> > <mailto:margherita.di-...@jrc.ec.europa.eu> >>> > >>> > Disclaimer: The views expressed are purely those of the writer and >>> > may not in any circumstance be regarded as stating an official >>> > position of the European Commission. >>> >>> - -- >>> Exploring Space, Time and Mind >>> http://arnulf.us >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) >>> Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ >>> >>> iEYEARECAAYFAlFDCxMACgkQXmFKW+BJ1b0+VwCfZ/L1oXuTe+HH6gKfzk/GDCzb >>> G5oAn1RVfwbpb/5NBOFDXY4l4kvU/lAC >>> =Om7B >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Francisco José Peñarrubia >> >> Software Colaborativo >> http://www.scolab.es >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> >
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