Dear all, I am not, I repeat not, in any mood to be trolled! Certainly not by people who I have not seen on the discuss list during a process that has taken more than 8 months preparing. It show an utter disrespect that may be common in certain circles, but not acceptable in ours.
I have in various mails to the list given honest answers to a host of questions, on items that have been already clear to most for a long time. And stating that it is 'LocationTech's turn' to respond....? Is absolutely ludicrous, given the information you already have received from me and others plus is publicly available. LocationTech is interested in a respectful conversation without the innuendos. A single person is severely hindering a MoU-process between two siblings of the same parents. Could others please step up to the plate? People who have been with OSGeo long enough. Kind regards, Marc Vloemans Op 18 aug. 2017 om 17:57 heeft Helmut Kudrnovsky <hel...@web.de> het volgende geschreven: >> Please keep asking questions. > > I think I've asked questions: > >> Will locationtech also promote OSGeo projects? > > ? > > it's locationtech's turn to answer. collaboration has something to do with > reciprocity! > >> Who will decide which project or other org will be promoted? > > ? > >> Why not promote projects from any other org? > > ? > >> What is the added value for OSGeo to promote locationtech projects? > > ? > > I've not seen any answer on this questions yet. > > Kind regards > Helmut > > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. August 2017 um 23:42 Uhr > Von: "Jeffrey Johnson" <ortel...@gmail.com> > An: "Helmut Kudrnovsky" <hel...@web.de>, "Marc Vloemans" > <marcvloema...@gmail.com>, hmit...@ncsu.edu, ragha...@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp > Cc: "OSGeo Discussions" <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>, "Sandro Santilli" > <s...@kbt.io> > Betreff: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Non-precise framing can hurt the community > > Please keep asking questions. It's healthy and how we (try to) arrive at > consensus. > > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 17:13 Helmut Kudrnovsky > <hel...@web.de[mailto:hel...@web.de]> wrote:Dear Venka, Dear Helena, Dear > Marc, Dear OSGeo Community, > > I'm some kind of surprised about the reactions and long threads about my > question yesterday. > > Just back from a long walk along a nice alpine river where I had time to > contemplate about it. Therefore it will be a personal and some kind of > philosophical note. > > In my personal, cultural and scientific background I was educated that asking > questions isn't anything bad. > > * Asking questions regarding things I'm interested in, to learn more about it > ... > * Asking questions regarding things I'm interested in, I'm involved, and > where I have some kind of responsibility, to take care that it evolves in a > sustainable way ... > > citing [1]: > > "The third category is Charter Member. Individuals in this category have the > same rights as the above Member category, but with two important differences. > Firstly, individuals in this category are not self-selected, but rather must > be voted into this category by the other Charter Members. Secondly, > individuals in this category have the right to vote in elections for other > Charter Members, and for Board Members. > > These two factors are intended to maintain the integrity of the > Foundation election processes -- and by extension the integrity of the > Foundation itself. We use the term "Charter" Member to explicitly indicate > that these members are responsible for upholding the "charter" of the > Foundation." > > As I'm honoured to be elected an OSGeo charter member, this is a high > motivation for me to volunteer e.g. this year as OSGeo GSoC admin, to have > fun within the GRASS community and to promote OSGeo and free and open source > GIS whenever I have a chance to do so... and from time to time it encourages > me to ask questions about OSGeo's evolution. So here we are now ... > > Community and communication .... both have the same latin word stem: communis. > > I like OSGeo's do-ocracy :-) ... but also I think it's now time to rephrase > the open source mantra to "communicate often, communicate early" :-) ... that > OSGeo is able to evolve in a sustainable way! > > Kind regards > Helmut > > [1] http://www.osgeo.org/Membership[http://www.osgeo.org/Membership] > > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. August 2017 um 21:15 Uhr > Von: "Marc Vloemans" <marcvloema...@gmail.com[mailto:marcvloema...@gmail.com]> > An: "Sandro Santilli" <s...@kbt.io[mailto:s...@kbt.io]> > Cc: "Helmut Kudrnovsky" <hel...@web.de[mailto:hel...@web.de]>, "OSGeo > Discussions" <discuss@lists.osgeo.org[mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org]> > Betreff: Re: Non-precise framing can hurt the community > @Helmut et all, > > Thanks for another opportunity to give the community more insights in what > LocationTech (the Eclipse Industry Working Group for spatially aware > software) entails and how it relates to OSGeo! > > We help co-develop and co-promote OSGeo projects in general (including > GPL-projects!) through > - sponsoring codesprints (e.g. Here in Boston tomorrow) and > - co-organising events (e.g. codesprints and Foss4g North Amerika) > > Kind regards, > Marc Vloemans > > >> Op 18 aug. 2017 om 12:53 heeft Marc Vloemans >> <marcvloema...@gmail.com[mailto:marcvloema...@gmail.com]> het volgende >> geschreven: >> >> Dear Sandro, >> >> We (Eclipse Foundation -LocationTech) are 'not against it' ! I repeat; not >> against........did I mention 'not'? >> >> GPL is approved by OSI, just like the EPL. We are on the same team. The word >> 'against' suggests we are at odds with each other over this. Which we are >> not, never have been and never will be. >> >> Our members (businesses, academia, NGO's) work with/on projects that >> incorporate various licenses. Individual choices depend on 'the right tools >> for the job'. Developers work on projects and in communities that encompass >> a wide spectrum of licenses. >> End-users (the ones that fund so many of open spatial projects) determine >> and decide which tools will suit their purposes. And they love our >> community's versatility to meet their demands. Thus furthering the overall >> success of open spatial IT in the world. >> The present full spectrum of projects provides a compelling, comprehensive >> storyline as is demonstrated by an increasing number of implementations. >> Worldwide, across industry verticals, profits, non-profits, etc etc. >> >> Hope this clarifies and let's together move forward! >> >> Kind regards, >> Marc Vloemans >> >> >>>> Op 18 aug. 2017 om 11:25 heeft Sandro Santilli >>>> <s...@kbt.io[mailto:s...@kbt.io]> het volgende geschreven: >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 09:19:52PM +0200, Helmut Kudrnovsky wrote: >>>> >>>> Will locationtech also promote OSGeo projects? >>> >>> This is an interesting question, especially as LocationTech is >>> against GPL-licensed projects (like GRASS, QGIS, PostGIS) >>> >>> --strk; >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org[mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org] >>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss[https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss] > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org[mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org] > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
