let me rephrase, your suggestion is that, with the actual rule, in case of "lobby", other member should rise the exception for a specified candidate? Luigi Pirelli
************************************************************************************************** * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/luigipirelli * Stackexchange: http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/19667/luigi-pirelli * GitHub: https://github.com/luipir * Mastering QGIS 2nd Edition: * https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/mastering-qgis-second-edition * Hire me: http://goo.gl/BYRQKg ************************************************************************************************** On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 10:47, Hans Gregers Hedegaard Petersen < greg...@septima.dk> wrote: > Luigi, > > I respect your points, and whilst I agree that in some (maybe even most) > situations, it is not a brilliant, if charter members are nominated by > people from their own company, I still do not see the need for elaborate > rules. Our current bylaws* clearly states that "*...Thereafter, to be > eligible for membership, a person must be nominated by an existing member > of the corporation pursuant to a written document in such form as shall be > adopted by the Board of Directors from time to time. The nomination must be > included in a notice to the members at least ten (10) days in advance of > the meeting at which the members will vote on the applicant’s admission. > Proposed members shall be admitted upon the affirmative vote of the members > of the corporation...*" > > So, as it is now, the community does in fact have to recognize every > single charter member elected. My point against elaborate rules is both > that they are in my point of view distrustful, and that there will > *always* be situations that are not covered by such detailed rules. With > the current bylaws we have the possibility to act on that in our voting, > but with elaborate rules people could reasonably think that "if it is not > forbidden it is allowed". > > Cheers, > > Greg > > *: Section 7.1 - https://www.osgeo.org/about/bylaws/ > > > On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 10:03, Luigi Pirelli <lui...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> IMHO are common rule to avoid conflict of interest. Obviously it' really >> hard to avoid lobbying buying or nominating friends, common rule to reduce >> this are "one person, one vote", election rotation, etc. >> >> "what extra would gain with this rule", that a nomination have to be >> recognized by a community, not strictly related to a company. I personally >> nominated or seconded many people I never met in my life, but I followed in >> their work or presentations during conferences or due their code >> contributions.... kind of web of thrust. >> >> Luigi Pirelli >> >> >> ************************************************************************************************** >> * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/luigipirelli >> * Stackexchange: http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/19667/luigi-pirelli >> * GitHub: https://github.com/luipir >> * Mastering QGIS 2nd Edition: >> * >> https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/mastering-qgis-second-edition >> * Hire me: http://goo.gl/BYRQKg >> >> ************************************************************************************************** >> >> >> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 09:49, Hans Gregers Hedegaard Petersen < >> greg...@septima.dk> wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I find the lack of faith in the current system disturbing. Since I do >>> not understand what extra would gain with this rule, I would love if you >>> could give a simple example on the type of situations you wish to solve >>> with more elaborate rules? Could one not, in the current system, speak up >>> against a nomination? What if it was not within a company, but say that I >>> nominated all of my friends in the Danish geo society? Should we not forbid >>> that? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 10:08, María Arias de Reyna <dela...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I think that more than in the CoC, that should be on the member >>>> nomination. And yes, it makes sense. Can you propose a change on the >>>> membership procedure so the board can vote on this? We have some phrase >>>> about taking over OSGeo, maybe we can rephrase that. >>>> >>>> Although it is also true that people I know better and I can nominate >>>> with more arguments are usually people I work with. Either if it is working >>>> on the community or in a company, that's just usually a coincidence. But if >>>> they are good enough, I can suggest external people to nominate them, sure. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 10:04 AM Luigi Pirelli <lui...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can't find a rule (in code of conduct) or election rules about >>>>> charter member nomination... >>>>> >>>>> I wouldn't like to see nomination of a member from another member >>>>> belonging to the same company. It could be a mechanism to create lobbies. >>>>> >>>>> any opinion? >>>>> >>>>> Luigi Pirelli >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ************************************************************************************************** >>>>> * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/luigipirelli >>>>> * Stackexchange: >>>>> http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/19667/luigi-pirelli >>>>> * GitHub: https://github.com/luipir >>>>> * Mastering QGIS 2nd Edition: >>>>> * >>>>> https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/mastering-qgis-second-edition >>>>> * Hire me: http://goo.gl/BYRQKg >>>>> >>>>> ************************************************************************************************** >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 10:03, Luigi Pirelli <lui...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> IMHO are common rule to avoid conflict of interest. Obviously it' really >> hard to avoid lobbying buying or nominating friends, common rule to reduce >> this are "one person, one vote", election rotation, etc. >> >> "what extra would gain with this rule", that a nomination have to be >> recognized by a community, not strictly related to a company. I personally >> nominated or seconded many people I never met in my life, but I followed in >> their work or presentations during conferences or due their code >> contributions.... kind of web of thrust. >> >> Luigi Pirelli >> >> >> ************************************************************************************************** >> * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/luigipirelli >> * Stackexchange: http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/19667/luigi-pirelli >> * GitHub: https://github.com/luipir >> * Mastering QGIS 2nd Edition: >> * >> https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/mastering-qgis-second-edition >> * Hire me: http://goo.gl/BYRQKg >> >> ************************************************************************************************** >> >> >> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 09:49, Hans Gregers Hedegaard Petersen < >> greg...@septima.dk> wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I find the lack of faith in the current system disturbing. Since I do >>> not understand what extra would gain with this rule, I would love if you >>> could give a simple example on the type of situations you wish to solve >>> with more elaborate rules? Could one not, in the current system, speak up >>> against a nomination? What if it was not within a company, but say that I >>> nominated all of my friends in the Danish geo society? Should we not forbid >>> that? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 10:08, María Arias de Reyna <dela...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I think that more than in the CoC, that should be on the member >>>> nomination. And yes, it makes sense. Can you propose a change on the >>>> membership procedure so the board can vote on this? We have some phrase >>>> about taking over OSGeo, maybe we can rephrase that. >>>> >>>> Although it is also true that people I know better and I can nominate >>>> with more arguments are usually people I work with. Either if it is working >>>> on the community or in a company, that's just usually a coincidence. But if >>>> they are good enough, I can suggest external people to nominate them, sure. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 10:04 AM Luigi Pirelli <lui...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can't find a rule (in code of conduct) or election rules about >>>>> charter member nomination... >>>>> >>>>> I wouldn't like to see nomination of a member from another member >>>>> belonging to the same company. It could be a mechanism to create lobbies. >>>>> >>>>> any opinion? >>>>> >>>>> Luigi Pirelli >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ************************************************************************************************** >>>>> * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/luigipirelli >>>>> * Stackexchange: >>>>> http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/19667/luigi-pirelli >>>>> * GitHub: https://github.com/luipir >>>>> * Mastering QGIS 2nd Edition: >>>>> * >>>>> https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/mastering-qgis-second-edition >>>>> * Hire me: http://goo.gl/BYRQKg >>>>> >>>>> ************************************************************************************************** >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >>
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