Hi all, Maybe my choice of words and ordering are wrong so I am rewording FACT: We do not have nabble anymore.
We are ready to use discourse for the mailing lists, * Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list, * keep working as always * Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list * Example: pgRouting has a private category for the PSC * Have a mirror of the mailing list in discourse * Currently read only * Its a mirror then keep working as always * With proper configuration It can be seen in mastodon * Example: pgRouting has a mirror of pgrouting-dev and pgrouting-users * Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse * It moved, so the group will work using discourse * The archives will be kept. * the list will be disabled * Example: QGIS-users-fr We are providing options. Regards Vicky On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 4:52 PM Bruce Bannerman < bruce.bannerman.os...@gmail.com> wrote: > Apart from these few emails telling me that a move to something called > Discourse is happening, I have not seen any discussion on our lists > explaining the pros and cons of such a move. > > I find this lack of community engagement on this issue to be troubling. > > This does not seem to be a very open source community way of making such a > significant move. > > Personally, what we have now has been working nicely for me for close on > 20 years. > > The lists have been very quiet for quite a while now, but that is a > community engagement issue. It is not something that technology will > magically fix. > > It seems to me that we have a case of the tail wagging the dog. > > Kind regards, > > Bruce > > > On 29 Dec 2023, at 05:15, Jody Garnett via Discuss < > discuss@lists.osgeo.org> wrote: > > > Reading online it appears there is: > > 1. A mailing list mode so notifications are sent out each time a post is > made (this is a user preference) > > 2. A reply via email mode > > So experimentation is needed. > > Reference: > - > https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-is-mailing-list-mode/46008/8 > - > https://meta.discourse.org/t/set-up-reply-by-email-with-pop3-polling/14003 > > > -- > Jody Garnett > > > On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 10:09 AM Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I think we need someone who understand how discourse works to make an >> informed decision. >> >> If the forum fills up with questions; and the developers are minding the >> email list - it will not work out so well :) At least as described. >> -- >> Jody Garnett >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 6:58 AM Vicky Vergara <vi...@erosion.dev> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 11:43 AM Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Q: So if a mailing list is mirrored to discourse it operates similar to >>>> nabble used to? Is searchable etc … >>>> >>>> I don't know the details of how discourse works, >>> >>> >>>> But replies done via discourse are not sent to mailing list subscribers >>>> - so it is one way communication. >>>> >>> https://meta.discourse.org/t/create-a-read-only-mailing-list-mirror/77990 >>> >>> >>>> And the thinking here is that discourse is easier for people who want >>>> to ask a specific question without subscribing to a mailing list (and >>>> getting yet more email). >>>> >>> Yes, so you can have the mirror in one category and another catergory >>> for Q&A >>> >>>> -- >>>> Jody Garnett >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 9:07 AM Vicky Vergara <vi...@erosion.dev> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Jody >>>>> >>>>> We are offering options >>>>> >>>>> Before: >>>>> Use mailing list >>>>> >>>>> After: >>>>> * Use mailing list and see the archives only on >>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/ >>>>> * Use mailing list and see the archives also on discourse >>>>> * Use discourse without a mailing list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This are the possibilities regarding migration of mailing list >>>>> * Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse example [1] >>>>> (Use discourse without a mailing list, but get previous conversations from >>>>> mailing list) >>>>> * Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse example [2] (Use mailing >>>>> list and see the archives also on discourse) >>>>> * Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list example [3] >>>>> was created by Jody (Use discourse without a mailing list) >>>>> * Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list example [4] (Use >>>>> mailing list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/) >>>>> >>>>> [1] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5 >>>>> [2] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13 >>>>> [3] >>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/about-the-osgeo-site-feedback-category/1 >>>>> [4] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2008loc/ >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Vicky >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 10:16 AM Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I was lurking in the sys admin chat as I was working on the osgeo >>>>>> sign up form. Mailing lists are not going away, but I am unclear at what >>>>>> is >>>>>> being offered. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Jody Garnett >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:01 AM Eli Adam <ea...@co.lincoln.or.us> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm also unclear on what is going on. It looks like discourse >>>>>>> options are being added. This raises questions about mailing lists. 1. >>>>>>> Are mailing lists going away? 2. Can projects choose to keep just the >>>>>>> mailing list and not add dicourse? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, Eli >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From:* Discuss <discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of >>>>>>> Vicky Vergara via Discuss <discuss@lists.osgeo.org> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 26, 2023 9:52 PM >>>>>>> *To:* OSGeo Discussions <discuss@lists.osgeo.org> >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Jody, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 9:31 PM Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Vicky, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there any more information on what is being offered here? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have not used discourse very much. What do you mean by having a >>>>>>> category Can you be more clear about migrate and mirror. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Category, is like the one you created about the discourse site >>>>>>> feedback. >>>>>>> Mirror, is a category that mirrors the mailing list, so the mails >>>>>>> received on the mailing list are also shown on discourse. >>>>>>> If you "reply" to those mails using discourse, they will not be >>>>>>> shown on the mailing list, as the mirror does not send mails to the >>>>>>> mailing >>>>>>> list. >>>>>>> The reply that will be shown is the one done using mail. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Will the existing list of email subscribers be part of migrating a >>>>>>> mailing list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When migrating subscribers are also migrated and are "staged users", >>>>>>> and they can log in using ldap, or github account. >>>>>>> If the mail of their log in matches, the staged users get assigned >>>>>>> to the person that logged in. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Vicky >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Jody Garnett >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 1:07 PM Vicky Vergara via Discuss < >>>>>>> discuss@lists.osgeo.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello all >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We are ready to migrate mailing lists to discourse, >>>>>>> * Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse >>>>>>> * Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse >>>>>>> * Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list >>>>>>> * Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A comprehensive list of mailing lists can be found here (not >>>>>>> including private mailing lists): >>>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You need to open a ticket to have the work done. >>>>>>> Follow the ticket examples below for the first 3 cases >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Vicky Vergara >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Example: Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3064 (has link to >>>>>>> ticket 3063) >>>>>>> + >>>>>>> Comment in Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3063 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Created the following discourse category >>>>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5 >>>>>>> And the archives of the mailing list will not be removed: >>>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-fr-user/ >>>>>>> Migration has finished so any new message to the list will not be >>>>>>> received on discourse, but the list will be disabled for before the end >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> january. >>>>>>> Mail on discourse: qgis-fr-user/@discourse.osgeo.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Example: Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse >>>>>>> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3062 >>>>>>> Created the following discourse category >>>>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13 >>>>>>> The mailing list will not be removed, and it is a mirror to the >>>>>>> mailing list >>>>>>> emails continue to be sent to s...@lists.osgeo.org >>>>>>> Replies can be done >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/re-osgeo-3062-import-sac-mailing-list-to-discourse/4747/2?u=cvvergara >>>>>>> But they will no be reflected on the mailing list >>>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/sac/2023-December/thread.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Example: of category without mailing list >>>>>>> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3066 >>>>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/osgeolive/osgeolive-docs/8 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org >>>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >
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