AW's two AC units cost no more than $85-100 max per month to run.

On 23 August 2012 13:45, Mark Jenkins <m...@parit.ca> wrote:
> On 23/08/12 01:33 PM, Justin Lacko wrote:
>>
>> One of our electrical bills came in and caused a bit of an issue with
>> the owner, Marvin - it was $2500 and they are assuming a very large
>> portion of that is our floor.
>
>
>> (the server room is probably
>> costing us around $300/mo. to run).
>
>
>
> Before someone jumps to a "OMG computers have to be kept off!" purge, let's
> allow some math to give us some perspective.
>
> 400 watt is your max use of typical low end PC.
>
> Off course, they don't pull that all time when powered on unless doing a
> crazy indefinite load.
> (folks with crazy indefinite loads should host elsewhere BTW...)
>
> And of course, server equipment can draw much more at peak...and I don't
> know how much when idle....
>
> But whatever, the question I want to answer here is, what is the daily
> operating cost for a 400 watt anything. Change that constant if you like.
>
>
> A kilo-watt hour is around 8c these days?
>
> A kilo-watt hour is the amount of energy used by a kilo watt device in an
> hour. Kilo watt means 1000j/s.
>
> That means you pay 8 cents for
> 1000 * 60  * 60 = 3600000j
>
> Convert to joules per dollar
> 3600000/0.08 = 45000000j / $
>
>
> -------------
>
> Now, how many joules used in a day by a 400watt device?
> 400j/s * *60*60*24
> 34560000 j/day
>
> So, the daily, direct electricity cost of a 400watt device is:
> 34560000 j/day  divided by 45000000j / $
>  = $0.77
>
>
> The 30 day cost of 10 such devices is:
> 0.77*10*30
> = 231.0
>
> Hmmm, I guess it does add up....
>
>
> But the whole manufacturing / vs office thing is a silly distraction given
> that there's nothing at all unusual about our activities compared to any
> other office taking up this much floor space.
>
> It's not unusual for offices this big to have three refrigerators running
> (drink machine is one). It's not unusual for an office taking up this much
> floor space to have many PCs and other devices on all the time. If we blew
> out all the walls and made this place a friggen engineering or call centre
> cube farm there could be a lot more PCs on all the time.
>
> Any normal office would have spent way *more* on electricity to attain a
> reasonable temperature and level of lighting.
>
> I don't think we can simply thumb our noses and ignore the complaint either.
> We don't want our landlord to say we're in default and tell us the lease is
> terminated. Even if we're right, we don't want to have that fight in court.
>
> Better to be defending ourselves now. (and not just saying sorry and putting
> ourselves into the dark ages)
>
> Our number of always-on devices (electronics, refrigerators, lights) are
> reasonable for the amount of overall space compared to other offices. The
> amount of heat put out by those devices is reasonable.
>
> The big change from last summer and this winter is the increased watts of
> air conditioning units. We should present the math on how much juice * price
> of electricity those take to operate.
>
> (Anyone know how many watts for these things?)
>
> If indeed we can show that electricity costs are high due to increased air
> conditioning power being in place, than the landlord needs to understand
> that the thermal properties of his building are the biggest factor driving
> said air conditioning, not our activities / devices.
>
> Once we get electrical distribution on the floor improved, we're probably
> going to consuming *more* power for air conditioning next summer than this
> one. On one hand we're probably have more efficient units in place, but on
> the other hand we're probably going to want the entire floor to be
> reasonable instead of just a few spots.
>
> To be rent-able as office space, the place has to be habitable as office
> space.
>
>
> The tough thing long term we may have choose -- pay office space levels
> rents to have office level comfort and amenities or pay storage grade rents
> and get storage grade comfort and amenities.
> (this trade-off would apply elsewhere too)
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