Valid points Ian. Access control would be a gradual process. We operated with keys for quite a while before getting the fob system. Internet would not be a big deal, from what I understand.
I meant to tell you Tuesday, great job with the status report. Thanks for stepping in. On Nov 1, 2012 3:57 PM, "Ian E. Trump" <itr...@octopitech.com> wrote: > Justin/Jeremy,**** > > ** ** > > This is all great stuff! I’m very excited about the move as well. Let’s > just be careful. Our Directors don’t want to write a check the organization > can’t cash. Your numbers are realistic and achievable. We just need to > exercise due diligence on understanding the lease (a scanned copy of the > proposed lease document would be useful, as I know I will have some > questions around it and some of our more intrepid members may like to know > who our new Landlord would be). **** > > ** ** > > Telco, Internet and access control would need to be moved, installed and > coordinated.**** > > ** ** > > Outstanding work gentleman and I think that the plan to move is moving > forward, but were just asking for some time to consider options and > identify any potential risk factors, not identified so far.**** > > ** ** > > Ian**** > > ** ** > > *From:* discuss-boun...@lists.skullspace.ca [mailto: > discuss-boun...@lists.skullspace.ca] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy Hiebert > *Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2012 15:42 > *To:* discuss@lists.skullspace.ca > *Subject:* Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] cashflow post move, yellow dog > location, the gap and more**** > > ** ** > > As the lease does not require cosigners and Skullspace could sign for > itself, if I understand correctly, and there looks to be many viable > options for raising the required money over top of the membership dues to > exceed the minimum monthly costs, the Yellowdog location would be a great > space to move into. **** > > ** ** > > The main concern from the board on this space was the possibility that the > lease would need cosigners. We can survive for 2 years without bringing in > extra cash flow above the member dues. It is time to take the "risk" and > get a space that is visually appealing (attract new members and > organisations) and functional. We will not be able to find a space that > fits our needs and is below the member dues income. If we settled on a > less-than-ideal location, we risk losing members and will have a hard time > attracting new ones. **** > > ** ** > > *(rough numbers ahead)***** > > On a three year lease, considering the first 2 years accounted for > monetarily (savings, pedges, member dues), that last year: 12 months * > $2500 rent/utilities (minimum) = $30000, 40 (members; low estimate) * $40 > (many paying more) * 12 months = $19200; Difference of $10800 / 36 months > (lease length) = $300 dollars raised per month above the projected numbers. > This is very doable when you consider the low-ball member count, minimum > $40 per month per member when 21+ members agreed to pay more per month, and > the possible potential income from private desks, server fees, drink/food > sales.**** > > ** ** > > My numbers are not accurate but they give a picture of how doable this is. > I personally, would like a space that we can fully utilize and be > attractive to new comers.**** > > ** ** > > Just my two cents.**** > > On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Justin Lacko <jus...@takaji.ca> wrote:**** > > What are your requirements for an office? Would you just need a desk? > Keep in mind the space we're looking at is wide-open and we can't > build permanent walls in it. I don't know if we could offer a locked > room but I'm sure we could create some kind of gate (?) that clearly > says private area - keep out. I think all members would respect this.**** > > > On 1 November 2012 15:11, Gordon Taylor <gtay...@macdon.com> wrote: > > I would pay extra for an office > > GT > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: discuss-boun...@lists.skullspace.ca [mailto: > discuss-boun...@lists.skullspace.ca] On Behalf Of Michael Kozakewich > > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 2:36 PM > > To: discuss@lists.skullspace.ca > > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] cashflow post move, yellow dog > location, the gap and more > > > > We're going to have to re-jigger the floor plan a little, because it IS > still big and there's a lot we can do with it. > > > > Has anyone talked about office space for members? Ron said he'd be > willing to pay for a little space somewhere where he can work. I was > thinking we could design little 5'x4' cubicles or something, for > $100/month, which we could also give to members who need additional storage > space. > > > > Justin, can you upload the floor-plan you got? We can take a look at > what works where. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Justin Lacko > > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 2:21 PM > > To: discuss@lists.skullspace.ca > > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] cashflow post move, yellow dog > location, the gap and more > > > > We're a not-for-profit and I wouldn't call this reselling. These aren't > commercial servers - they're members' servers and the cost is going to help > offset power. These are the same servers we're hosting right now, for the > most part. You seem to be thinking in terms of some kind of official > reseller plan - I'm thinking member-based machines that are already > operating. > > > > Do we require walls for a server room? Can we not stand up two racks > against the wall in a low-traffic area? Do we not already have UPSes that > you have been testing out? > > > > On 1 November 2012 14:16, Colin Stanners <cstann...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Considering extra expenses, that's more like $400-500 per month away > >> from breaking even. I don't like the financials of this move, we > >> should try to always assume worst-case. > >> > >> Also I'm not sure about charging for server space - we have no SLAs, > >> no walls for our server room there, heck you didn't even put a server > >> room on the plans. Also paid server space should have redundant > >> internet and more UPSes, neither of which we have, and I'm not sure > >> VOI will be happy about us reselling our free service for money - they > >> seemed to indicate it was no-SLA/hobbyist/not for profit before. > >> > >> > >> On 11/1/12, Justin Lacko <jus...@takaji.ca> wrote: > >>> Mark, > >>> > >>> $80 pledge - 1 member > >>> $60 pledge - 14 members > >>> $50 pledge - 6 members > >>> $40 pledge - 2 members > >>> > >>> Total: $1300 from 22 members > >>> 1 member was undecided > >>> 19 members still need to be contacted. > >>> > >>> 1 member is willing to relocate his servers to our space and pay > $100/mo. > >>> > >>> Other considerations from the meeting: > >>> Server space: $10/mo. > >>> Classroom rental: $50/event > >>> Power estimate: $300/mo. > >>> > >>> Assume our rent is $2100/mo., add power = $2400/mo. > >>> Assume remaining 19 members only pay $40/mo. = $760/mo. > >>> > >>> $1300 + $760 + $100 + $30 (estimate 3 servers being hosted) = $2190/mo. > >>> > >>> Therefore, we are actually $210 away from breaking even. ***However, > >>> this doesn't include the cost of insurance, which I believe Courtney > >>> will look into to see if the price would be changing.*** > >>> > >>> Now don't forget that we have ~$8000 in our bank. This can serve as > >>> the source of our discretionary spending month-to-month. I would put > >>> a limit of $400/mo. or something similar from these funds. > >>> > >>> I'm confident that we can talk to the remaining 19 members and ask if > >>> they are willing to pay more than $40/mo. to help us out with this. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/**** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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