not if vo is off. I wonder if you have to hide or can hid the toolbar in this case.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Extremely Useful Tip When VoiceOverStopsTalking[Re:Command-F5/Restarting Computer does not turn VO on] Hi Darcy, On Dec 15, 2007, at 03:46PM, Darcy Burnard wrote: >Hi Esther. If I move to the radio buttons with VO turned on, I can >turn vo off and on by arrowing left and right. However, if VO is off, >as soon as I hit tab, focus jumps back to the tool bar, and doesn't >move again. No matter where I am in the preference pane with VO >enable, once I turn of VO and hit tab, I'm back in the toolbar. >Darcy > Aargh! This doesn't sound good. But I thought a couple of people tried this under Leopard. Any chance that it's the way your navigation or cursor tracking options are set? Cheers, Esther >On 15-Dec-07, at 7:16 PM, Esther wrote: > >> Hi Darcy, >> >> What happens if you turn VoiceOver off under the Universal Access >> pane and then try to run through Lou's suggested procedure? I've >> found (this is with experiments on the inaccessible parts of the >> iTunes Store) that if you've managed to click in somewhere that >> you wouldn't normally navigate to with VoiceOver, and if you've >> left yourself there or if someone else (sighted) has left your app >> there, you won't get the same behavior when tabbing that you'd >> get if you only tabbed through with VoiceOver. >> >> I don't know whether that makes sense, but sometimes if there >> have been entries in the Search Text Field on the Universal >> Access Field, I think you don't get the same number of tab moves. >> So try to switch off the radio button with VoiceOver, and then >> run through Lou's exercise. If that doesn't work, assume that >> when you get back into the Universal Access pane with Lou's >> instructions that you're at the "VoiceOver Off Radio Button" and >> instead of tabbing, right arrow to "On" and see if that works. >> >> (Note: only Darcy should try this. I don't want anyone for whom >> Lou's instructions actually work in Leopard to mess up their >> settings). >> >> Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> On Dec15, 2007, at 02:03PM, Darcy Burnard wrote: >>> Hi. Have any of you Leopard users tried these steps? That is, have >>> you tried them with VO turned off, to see if it will turn back on >>> again? I ask because I can't make it work. It appears that when vo >>> is off, the tab key has no effect in the universal access preference >>> pane. When I turn on VO to see where I am, I'm still in the tool >>> bar. Any thoughts? >>> Darcy >>> >>> On 15-Dec-07, at 5:12 PM, David Poehlman wrote: >>> >>>> hi darcy, maybe it can work from the extras menu with universal >>>> access >>>> showing up there. I just use shift tab in system prefs by the >>>> way, it >>>> should take you to the universal prefs. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Darcy Burnard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS >>>> X by >>>> theblind" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 3:59 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Extremely Useful Tip When VoiceOver Stops Talking >>>> [Re:Command-F5/Restarting Computer does not turn VO on] >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi everyone. I've not had this happen myself, but because it has >>>> happened to others, I thought I would try and create an automator >>>> application that would perform the steps. So far, I haven't had >>>> much >>>> luck, but if I do have success with it, I'll make it available for >>>> anyone who wants it. >>>> Darcy >>>> >>>> On 15-Dec-07, at 6:04 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>> >>>>> This does work in Leopard and thanks for sharing this info. I >>>>> encourage everyone to try this and more than once, make a note of >>>>> the steps and just periodically try them out so you will remember >>>>> them or write them down. This might really help you out in a jam >>>>> one >>>>> day. >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2007, at 3:16 PM, Esther wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Lou, >>>>>> >>>>>> This is very useful infomration, indeed, that can help people. >>>>>> I've >>>>>> retitled the thread in hopes that more people will read it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I didn't realize there was this reproducible, testable way of >>>>>> dealing with VoiceOver when it stopped speaking and getting >>>>>> it restarted, and that the standard things we try might not work. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks on behalf of everyone.! >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Esther >>>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2007, at 10:08AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>> Hello! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know this problem has already been resolved for Simon, but this >>>>>>> info might help others experiencing the problem of VO not >>>>>>> talking... >>>>>>> It did not dawn on me to provide this info previously until I >>>>>>> heard >>>>>>> Simon's solution was, with sighted assistance, to physically turn >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> VO using the mouse. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ever since I installed Mac OS X 10.4.11, this problem has been >>>>>>> cropping up for me. I will be working in Safari, Mail or Vienna >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> the Mac becomes "busy." After clearing the application's "busy" >>>>>>> state >>>>>>> in one of the many ways described in this forum, Voice Over >>>>>>> occasionally stops speaking and cannot be turned back on again >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> Command-F5 (generates the "invalid" beep) -- or even restarting >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> computer. >>>>>>> With sighted assistance, I discovered that: >>>>>>> - the "Command-F5 check box in "KeyboArd Shortcuts" was, indeed, >>>>>>> checked (even tried unchecking and rechecking this box to see >>>>>>> if it >>>>>>> had any affect), >>>>>>> - the Voice Over "Off" radio button was selected in the Universal >>>>>>> Access/Seeing Pane of System Preferences. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Because the computer was not accepting the Command-F5 keyboard >>>>>>> command, the only way to turn VO back on was to use the mouse to >>>>>>> click the VO "On" button. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This happened several times while I had no sighted assistance >>>>>>> around >>>>>>> -- *** VERY FRUSTRATING! *** I figured there must be a way to >>>>>>> turn >>>>>>> VO back on again without sighted assistance. Here is what I did: >>>>>>> 1. Press Control-F2 to move the mouse to the Menu Bar. >>>>>>> 2. Press the Down Arrow to open the Apple Menu. >>>>>>> 3. Quickly type "sy" to jump to System Preferences. >>>>>>> 4. Press Return to open System Preferences. >>>>>>> 5. Press Control-F2 to return to the Menu Bar. >>>>>>> 6. Press "v" to jump to the "View" menu. >>>>>>> 7. Press Down Arrow to open the View Menu. >>>>>>> 8. Press "u" to jump to "Universal Access." >>>>>>> 9. Press Return to open the Universal Access Pane of System >>>>>>> Preferences. >>>>>>> 10. Press Tab twice to select the Voice Over On/Off controls. >>>>>>> 12. Press Left Arrow to select the Voice Over "On" radio button. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At this point, Voice Over starts talking again and (miraculously) >>>>>>> Command-F5 starts working again. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Notes: >>>>>>> - I am running Tiger 10.4.11, so I do not know if these steps >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> the same under Leopard. >>>>>>> - In step 11, the first time you press the Tab key takes you to >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> "tab bar" where the various tabs for Universal Access sections >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> located. I have the "Seeing" Tab already selected, so I do not >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> to mess with it. If the "Seeing" tab is not selected for you, you >>>>>>> will have to move to a different Tab with the Left and/or Right >>>>>>> Arrows -- but, because there is no feedback, I think this may >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> the potential of causing some problems... I suggest setting the >>>>>>> tab >>>>>>> to "Seeing" while you have VO working as a precaution. This way, >>>>>>> you, >>>>>>> too, could just press the TAB key twice like I did and not worry >>>>>>> about it. >>>>>>> - Maybe, one of you Apple Script/Automater geniuses might be able >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> create an app that could, in emergencies, do this for us >>>>>>> automatically. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hope this helps someone... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lou. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> === Original Messages === >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Simon, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Delighted to hear that you are connected and that Voiceover is up >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> running. Thank you for providing us with the details of what >>>>>>> happened. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <snip> >>>>>>> Dear Esther and All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have finally got my Voceover back!!! I'm delighted, relieved >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> very very >>>>>>> excited at the quality of the default voice in Leopard. A sighted >>>>>>> friend of >>>>>>> mine came over a couple of hours ago, and using the mouse, >>>>>>> activated >>>>>>> Voceover in the system preferences. It works! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <snip> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Scott Howell >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> > > >
