Hi
What I find usually happens with the edit fields not showing up is that they get put into their own group, rather than in the same group as their label, so sometimes I miss them for a few seconds. I usually just go next to the edit field and look for a blank group in that case. Also, in the case where the edit fields are in the same group as their label, don't forget to interact with the group to find it. For instance, if you here something like "First Name: Blank group," that means that the edit field is inside that group. As for some of the other issues such as headings in google, they've been fixed in the latest webkit builds, go to www.webkit.org and download the nightly builds if you want to test it out. The multi- select list box problem has also been fixed, though there are a few other bugs that are in these builds--remember, they're nightly test builds direct from the current code. The acapella voices are available under the name Infovox iVox from assistiveware, and they're $99 for the first language pack and $49 for subsequent languages. That's not per voice, but per language.
hth



On May 21, 2008, at 7:42, erik burggraaf wrote:

Hi, on the subject of edit boxes, I've found that VO won't find some edit box elements when vo-ing through a page, but on my mac, the focus follows the vo curser, so when I get to the labels for the invisible edit fields, I can tab and shift tab and I will find them right away.

I don't know why this is, but I've just assumed it was to do with safari and webkit and the development of the system as with some of the other issues like headings not showing up in google.

On the subject of voices, wasn't some one saying a while back about acapella voices for the mac? They would be wonderfull, and the language support is varried. I think the pc ones are about $35 per voice. That's quite a break from $200 per voice.

Best,

Erik

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On 21-May-08, at 4:35 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

Hi there. I'm not sure what you have your web navigation set to, but if you're using group navigation, you might try switching to DOM navigation instead. That in itself may allow you to find the form fields you are looking for. If not, try pressing control+option +command+j, which is the command to find the next control. If you need to read in other languages, the infovox ivox voices are available in several languages, you can get more info at www.assistiveware.com . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew VanFossan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
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Subject: switching from JAWS to VO


hi folks,

Let me say first how much I've enjoyed reading posts from so many tech savvy blind people since subscribing to this list a few weeks ago. I joined the list because I switched from a JAWS-windows environment to
a VO-mac one.  I find the mac to be a much better built machine: I
love not having crashes and enjoy just putting my computer to sleep
instead of turning it off and on so much the way I used to on the pc.
I do miss certain features of JAWS and am wondering if you all could
suggest solutions that I haven't yet found for myself.

1. I see that VO reads text in paragraph chunks when pressing VO+ the
arrow keys on a web page.  When I stop VO in mid chunk, I don't know
of any way to pick up exactly where I left off. I know about the ctrl
feature that resumes reading in the subsequent sentence, but this
isn't as precise as I'd like.  If I want to find the words I have to
enter into the text and scroll through word by word from the beginning
of the chunk.

2. The way VO reads web pages is decidedly different than JAWS, and
sometimes I can't piece together with VO how to interact with the
page.  For example, I recently used a site called spaceshare.com for
carpooling to events, and I couldn't manage to log in to create a new account. I could find on the page the returning users text boxes and
the text to enter a new username and password, but I could find no
associated text boxes for these itmes. I suspect it has something to do with tables. I get the impression VO doesn't recognize html tables
the way JAWS does...

3. Ie-mail a lot in Spanish and Portuguese but VO has no built-in
support for these languages.  I know there is an upgrade I can buy
from a third-party developer, but I hesitate to buy it until I talk to
someone who can speak highly of it.  Also the languages are sold
separately, so for Spanish and Portuguese I'm looking at about $400,
and with French it would be $600... is there a cheaper alternative for
multiple languages?

I will say those tips on the lioncourt site have been extremely handy.
They taught how to copy and paste more effectively and adjust the
sound on the computer, among other things.  Where are these key
commands coming from? I didn't find them anywhere online or in the VO
built-in help.  I'm sure there's still a lot I have to figure out.
I'll continue to watch and learn from you guys.

Matt

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