How do you know Apple knows the problems we are having and what's
more, how do you know they care about your problems? Aren't you doing
exactly what you're accusing me of doing, that is making some huge
assumptions, the first one being that I don't know what I'm talking
about when I site a problem I see and say it would be an easy fix for
Apple to make?
On Aug 23, 2008, at 11:05 AM, John Panarese wrote:
Don't sweat it, David. You and I have been around the block
with accessibility, and it's the usual reflexive reaction to claim
that anyone who defends Apple is doing so out of loyalty to Apple
alone. Of course, the reality that some of us have dealt with
several levels of accessibility coming over from years of Windows
frustrations for several years and are at the point that we have a
handle on how these things tend to progress is often lost. What
Apple can and cannot fix easily, again, is an assumption being made
here, as we have no idea of the what and the why involved. We all
have our frustrations and "complaints" over the things we can't do,
but there comes a point in which you say your peace in a non
dramatic, productive way and that's that. Apple knows the problems
and beating the dead horse isn't gong to helping the matter.
As for the store, again, a highly exaggerated claim being made
here, as I have bought songs from iTunes and consider 99 cents worth
the price. Amazon doesn't do it for me, but that is, of course, my
personal preference. The album aspect and the registration, in the
big picture of accessibility overall, is not something I lose sleep
over. What Apple has done in a few short years compared to other
folks indicates to me that there is a method behind the proverbial
madness. Not too long ago, seemngly overnight, iTunes went from
limited accessibility to its current usability without any fanfare
or such from Apple. We had np special word or announcement made by
anyone from Apple. It just happened. There are other applications
and features that, from a productivity standpoint, are far more
important to be fixed than iTunes. It will all be fixed, but I know
that the complaints will only fall somewhere else after that and on
and on, as it Always seems to do.
Take Care
John Panarese
On Aug 22, 2008, at 6:41 PM, David Poehlman wrote:
If you want to talk about the truth, look at the aph publications
about
voiceover over the past couple of years. Loook at all the claims
made by
microsoft about "accessibility" over the past several years. We
have been
told before each release that things will get bettter and in some
ways, they
do but the price is too high.
I came from a windows and dos background. I am not of the apple
culture and
neither is john.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Grady" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac
OS X by
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: iTunes Accessibility - have I been mistaken?
Considering that one of the main purposes of Itunes is supposed to be
their store I would say that your 90 percent figure is no better then
any story you'd get from say a used car salesman. I have noticed
that
Mac users are particularly loyal to Apple and not prone to telling
the
truth.
On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:00 PM, John Panarese wrote:
I think there are some assumptions being made here. I don't
believe at all that anyone is being "ignored". That kind of
statement seems quite a bit out of place all things considered. No
one knows exactly what is going on with iTunes and what Apple is or
is not doing about it. Also, in regard to overall accessibility,
I'd say that 90 or 95 percent accessible is a much more accurate
statement. The iTunes store can still be used and what can't be
accomplished with VoiceOver surely does not constitute 50 percent
inaccessible.
Take Care
John Panarese
On Aug 22, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Tim Grady wrote:
Your right about that, and just to show you how much they're
ignoring your concerns just take a look at every time there is an
update to Itunes. Now this is only a small problem but the point
is that it would really be an easy fix would they decide to make
it. Did you ever notice that after an update you couldn't buy a
song without hitting a totally inaccessible button?
On Aug 21, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote:
Also I believe the innitial setup of an account is not
accessible either.
On Aug 21, 2008, at 11:10 AM, will lomas wrote:
i think they know about it and we just have to wait and wait and
wait
On 21 Aug 2008, at 14:29, UCLA Bruins Fan wrote:
we can purchase songs, assuming someone has helped us set up an
account, because this feature is still inaccessible. I don't
know what else we can do to persuade apple to fix this issue!
On Aug 21, 2008, at 12:33 AM, will lomas wrote:
we can buy songs from it so it is half way there but the window
for buying albums etc is not. i still don't see why it takes 2
years to fix this
On 21 Aug 2008, at 05:42, Chris Gilland wrote:
your friend is exactly right. the store window isn't
accessible in the least.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricky Buchanan"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of
Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:17 AM
Subject: iTunes Accessibility - have I been mistaken?
G'day,
I read an article by Peter Abrams about the accessibility of
the iPhone. It's about the *lack of* accessibility of the
iPhone, mostly. Anyway, in the comments of course there's
the requisite - I thought - idiot saying that iTunes isn't
accessible.
I assumed this was a Windows user who had no clue and I was
rather, erm, strident in informing him of his mistaken
beliefs. Anyway, he's replied again listing specifics of
what he can't do (mainly, interact with the main iTunes
Story window in any way) and saying that "his blind friend"
is not just a Leopard user but a beta tester for VO. I'm not
a VO user myself as many of you know, so I'm concerned that I
may have ended up with both feet in my mouth here!
The article is here:
<http://www.it-analysis.com/business/change/content.php?cid=10678
If you search for "Big Man" you'll jump to his first comment.
If you want to leave a reply on that web page, please please
please be very polite and no flaming! Just facts about
whether he's right or not... I don't want to create problems
or "apple fanboy rage" or make VO users look bad in any way.
If you want to reply on the list, I'll leave another comment
there with links to the list replies via the archives.
Cheers,
Ricky
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