so you just want to complain to those who can't do anything about it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Grady" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: Re: iTunes Accessibility - have I been mistaken?
Apple isn't paying me to do that. On Aug 23, 2008, at 4:27 PM, David Poehlman wrote: > Apple have proven that they are listening. demonstrate how you > would fix > this easy problem. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Grady" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS > X by > theblind" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 4:19 PM > Subject: Re: iTunes Accessibility - have I been mistaken? > > > How do you know Apple knows the problems we are having and what's > more, how do you know they care about your problems? Aren't you doing > exactly what you're accusing me of doing, that is making some huge > assumptions, the first one being that I don't know what I'm talking > about when I site a problem I see and say it would be an easy fix for > Apple to make? > On Aug 23, 2008, at 11:05 AM, John Panarese wrote: > >> Don't sweat it, David. You and I have been around the block >> with accessibility, and it's the usual reflexive reaction to claim >> that anyone who defends Apple is doing so out of loyalty to Apple >> alone. Of course, the reality that some of us have dealt with >> several levels of accessibility coming over from years of Windows >> frustrations for several years and are at the point that we have a >> handle on how these things tend to progress is often lost. What >> Apple can and cannot fix easily, again, is an assumption being made >> here, as we have no idea of the what and the why involved. We all >> have our frustrations and "complaints" over the things we can't do, >> but there comes a point in which you say your peace in a non >> dramatic, productive way and that's that. Apple knows the problems >> and beating the dead horse isn't gong to helping the matter. >> >> As for the store, again, a highly exaggerated claim being made >> here, as I have bought songs from iTunes and consider 99 cents worth >> the price. Amazon doesn't do it for me, but that is, of course, my >> personal preference. The album aspect and the registration, in the >> big picture of accessibility overall, is not something I lose sleep >> over. What Apple has done in a few short years compared to other >> folks indicates to me that there is a method behind the proverbial >> madness. Not too long ago, seemngly overnight, iTunes went from >> limited accessibility to its current usability without any fanfare >> or such from Apple. We had np special word or announcement made by >> anyone from Apple. It just happened. There are other applications >> and features that, from a productivity standpoint, are far more >> important to be fixed than iTunes. It will all be fixed, but I know >> that the complaints will only fall somewhere else after that and on >> and on, as it Always seems to do. >> >> >> Take Care >> >> John Panarese >> >> On Aug 22, 2008, at 6:41 PM, David Poehlman wrote: >> >>> If you want to talk about the truth, look at the aph publications >>> about >>> voiceover over the past couple of years. Loook at all the claims >>> made by >>> microsoft about "accessibility" over the past several years. We >>> have been >>> told before each release that things will get bettter and in some >>> ways, they >>> do but the price is too high. >>> >>> I came from a windows and dos background. I am not of the apple >>> culture and >>> neither is john. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Tim Grady" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac >>> OS X by >>> theblind" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:27 PM >>> Subject: Re: iTunes Accessibility - have I been mistaken? >>> >>> >>> Considering that one of the main purposes of Itunes is supposed to >>> be >>> their store I would say that your 90 percent figure is no better >>> then >>> any story you'd get from say a used car salesman. I have noticed >>> that >>> Mac users are particularly loyal to Apple and not prone to telling >>> the >>> truth. >>> On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:00 PM, John Panarese wrote: >>> >>>> I think there are some assumptions being made here. I don't >>>> believe at all that anyone is being "ignored". That kind of >>>> statement seems quite a bit out of place all things considered. No >>>> one knows exactly what is going on with iTunes and what Apple is or >>>> is not doing about it. Also, in regard to overall accessibility, >>>> I'd say that 90 or 95 percent accessible is a much more accurate >>>> statement. The iTunes store can still be used and what can't be >>>> accomplished with VoiceOver surely does not constitute 50 percent >>>> inaccessible. >>>> >>>> >>>> Take Care >>>> >>>> John Panarese >>>> >>>> On Aug 22, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Tim Grady wrote: >>>> >>>>> Your right about that, and just to show you how much they're >>>>> ignoring your concerns just take a look at every time there is an >>>>> update to Itunes. Now this is only a small problem but the point >>>>> is that it would really be an easy fix would they decide to make >>>>> it. Did you ever notice that after an update you couldn't buy a >>>>> song without hitting a totally inaccessible button? >>>>> On Aug 21, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Also I believe the innitial setup of an account is not >>>>>> accessible either. >>>>>> On Aug 21, 2008, at 11:10 AM, will lomas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> i think they know about it and we just have to wait and wait and >>>>>>> wait >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 21 Aug 2008, at 14:29, UCLA Bruins Fan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> we can purchase songs, assuming someone has helped us set up an >>>>>>>> account, because this feature is still inaccessible. I don't >>>>>>>> know what else we can do to persuade apple to fix this issue! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 21, 2008, at 12:33 AM, will lomas wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> we can buy songs from it so it is half way there but the >>>>>>>>> window >>>>>>>>> for buying albums etc is not. i still don't see why it takes 2 >>>>>>>>> years to fix this >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 21 Aug 2008, at 05:42, Chris Gilland wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> your friend is exactly right. the store window isn't >>>>>>>>>> accessible in the least. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Do you need help with legal matters? Would you like to have >>>>>>>>>> access to legal advice 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? How >>>>>>>>>> about assistance creating/modifying your will? Are you in >>>>>>>>>> need of identity theft protection? I'd be happy to assist >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please visit my web site at: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.prepaidlegal.com/hub/chrisgilland >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> or E-mail me at: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Phone: 704-817-8846 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you and have a blessed day. >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricky Buchanan" >>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of >>>>>>>>>> Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:17 AM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: iTunes Accessibility - have I been mistaken? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> G'day, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I read an article by Peter Abrams about the accessibility of >>>>>>>>>>> the iPhone. It's about the *lack of* accessibility of the >>>>>>>>>>> iPhone, mostly. Anyway, in the comments of course there's >>>>>>>>>>> the requisite - I thought - idiot saying that iTunes isn't >>>>>>>>>>> accessible. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I assumed this was a Windows user who had no clue and I was >>>>>>>>>>> rather, erm, strident in informing him of his mistaken >>>>>>>>>>> beliefs. Anyway, he's replied again listing specifics of >>>>>>>>>>> what he can't do (mainly, interact with the main iTunes >>>>>>>>>>> Story window in any way) and saying that "his blind friend" >>>>>>>>>>> is not just a Leopard user but a beta tester for VO. I'm >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> a VO user myself as many of you know, so I'm concerned >>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>> may have ended up with both feet in my mouth here! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The article is here: >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.it-analysis.com/business/change/content.php?cid=10678 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you search for "Big Man" you'll jump to his first >>>>>>>>>>> comment. >>>>>>>>>>> If you want to leave a reply on that web page, please >>>>>>>>>>> please >>>>>>>>>>> please be very polite and no flaming! Just facts about >>>>>>>>>>> whether he's right or not... I don't want to create >>>>>>>>>>> problems >>>>>>>>>>> or "apple fanboy rage" or make VO users look bad in any >>>>>>>>>>> way. >>>>>>>>>>> If you want to reply on the list, I'll leave another >>>>>>>>>>> comment >>>>>>>>>>> there with links to the list replies via the archives. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> Ricky >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> ATMac - http://atmac.org/ - Assistive Technology for Mac >>>>>>>>>>> OS X >>>>>>>>>>> Users >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > >
