I'd lay money on it that somewhere on some mailing list for deaf people, there's someone saying "hey, the blind get this and that, what about us?". I don't know enough about deafness, i'm sure there's chalenges that wouldn't occur to me, but I wouldn't mind betting that there's just as many areas where they get shortchanged. At the end of the day money is what makes the world go round for a company, and since we as a market don't generate a huge amount of it or have a huge amount of it to throw at developers, being somewhere on the list of priorities and working our way up is as good as it gets. Apple seem to be becoming consistent in showing that they've every intention to have us on a level playing field, which is better than a lot of situations we find ourselves in. Of course it takes time, but being negative during that time isn't gonna help anybody.
On 9/11/08, Will Lomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi they soon cater for the deaf with text services, what about us? > all this equal access rights never gets implemented who are we kiding? > let's be honest, apple are committed to acessibility that is clear and > evident yet they bring out a phone which works for all markets but the > blind and to be honest it probably never will as it is a touch screen > and i don't wat to carry round keyboard and extra stuff to use a > mobile phone > > On 11 Sep 2008, at 09:17, Scott Chesworth wrote: > >> Cara - my point exactly! Technology costs quite a bit still really, >> and it's something that we have to rely on more than most. My >> thinking has always been that if I've got to shell out for this stuff, >> I at least want to enjoy using it and look good as a geek hehe. What >> bugs me about all this though is that there is such a thing as >> accidental access right? As in, code gets re-written and ends up >> being accessible just because the programmer uses good practices etc. >> I'm pretty certain that's not what's happened here with iTunes, which >> means that it's probably been on the list of things to do for a while >> and they've eventually got to the point where the biggies have been >> ironed out and they can spend a little time on it. That's fine, I'm >> not expecting them realistically to prioritise a small-ish market like >> us before time, I just wish someone could send me a copy of the list >> of things to do each week lol. What I'm saying I guess is that if I >> knew it was a similar situation with the iPhone, where Apple have >> every intention of implimenting a solution they've already got ideas >> for etc, I'd wait and keep up this fake friendship I've developed with >> symbian, specially if I could check on us slowly moving up the list >> every now and then. It's wishful thinking of course... bummer. >> >> On 9/11/08, Cara Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Quoth Scott, I can't ever see Apple doing an >>> overlay. Sticking something on a touch screen >>> >>> -to which I spake, <smile> Even if they did, I can't ever see me >>> liking it! lol! >>> >>> I'm sorry people, but looks, style, and the cool factor are >>> important to me. When technology and creativity are put together to >>> solve an issue without an air of compromise, the solution is >>> wonderfully edgey and pure art!… >>> >>> Smiles, >>> >>> Cara :) >>> >>> >>> On Sep 10, 2008, at 4:13 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>> >>>> Purely speculation of course, but I can't ever see Apple doing an >>>> overlay. Sticking something on a touch screen just isn't slick >>>> enough, it's even more clumsy than shoving an extra device in to the >>>> bottom of your iPod ... just not Apple's style. My guess, if it >>>> ever >>>> happens, is that it'll be a combo of some sort of feedback via >>>> vibrations, and navigating with jestures that would simulate >>>> something >>>> like hitting a VO-right and VO-left on a mac. Between the two, it'd >>>> be pretty usable surely. >>>> >>>> On 9/10/08, Peter Apgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> I agree with this one but Don't hold your breath. For example,How >>>>> long did >>>>> it take to make the hottest music download page to become >>>>> accessible? It >>>>> will take almost this long if not longer with the lack of keyboard. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jessi >>>>> Rathwell >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:58 PM >>>>> To: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS >>>>> X by >>>>> theblind >>>>> Subject: Re: Response from Accessibility at Apple >>>>> >>>>> yeah, that's what I was thinking too. lol On 10-Sep-08, at 11:35 >>>>> AM, UCLA >>>>> Bruins Fan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> huge difference between windows and Iphone, though. I want to get >>>>>> away from windows and third party software when ever possible, and >>>>>> if >>>>>> I can use an Iphone with out worrying about installing things like >>>>>> Mobile speak, that is certainly the way I will go. >>>>>> Just my oppinion. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 10, 2008, at 10:40 AM, Will Lomas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> but it is extra to carry around you may as well all just buy a >>>>>>> windows mobile phone with an integrated keyboard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10 Sep 2008, at 18:34, Jessi Rathwell wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> yeah, I was thinking one way to make the touch screen workable >>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>> be to just ship a small bluetooth keyboard with it. that's all >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> need, a keyboard, then we could totally use VO. >>>>>>>> On 10-Sep-08, at 8:28 AM, David Poehlman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> true, but they would have to make the touch screen interface >>>>>>>>> workable which shouldn't be too hard to do at least in a >>>>>>>>> limitted >>>>>>>>> way. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Chris Blouch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of >>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>> OS X by theblind" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:15 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Response from Accessibility at Apple >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, there are a few tactile buttons for volume, home, ring/ >>>>>>>>> silent and sleep/wake. Everything else is through the touch >>>>>>>>> screen. >>>>>>>>> Maybe they will eventually just put VO on the iPhone. It >>>>>>>>> supposedly >>>>>>>>> is OSX under the hood. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> CB >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Esther wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Yes, they replied to me, too. Interesting the the iPhone >>>>>>>>>> link on >>>>>>>>>> the new Accessibility page mentions tactile buttons. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Esther >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2008, at 5:08 PM, Dan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello All, >>>>>>>>>>> I just wanted you to know that I wrote an appreciation >>>>>>>>>>> EMail to >>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and they responded. I really >>>>>>>>>>> appreciate >>>>>>>>>>> that as well as the fixes. >>>>>>>>>>> They also mentioned a new Accessibility page, >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ >>>>>>>>>>> So I'm going to the Accessibility page to see what's new. >>>>>>>>>>> Dan >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> --- >>> View my Online Portfolio at: >>> http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn >>> >>> >>> >> > > >
