This time, it's me who's in the position to agree with David.
Assistive technology is here to assist, not think for us, as all too
often is the case today, at least that's how i feel.
Of course it's nice that the screen reading technologies out there
makes it easier for us, but sometimes i feel that it's done to the
point of stupidifying us. The bright exception to this rule is
VoiceOver and though it certainly could be improved in some respects,
i wouldn't want it any other way than it works now.
/Krister, hiding behind flame proof materials.:-)
22 jan 2009 kl. 15.41 skrev David Poehlman:
Hi Patrick and all,
Well, perhaps you might not agree with me when I explain this.
People who don't use assistive technology just find their place and
go on. That's what I do. While it is nice that this is done in
windows to make the horrible a bit less horrible, I find that
returning to my place with vo when necessary is not really a
problem. If I were using assistive technology for the first time an
it was vo that I was using, it would not eve occur to me to ask the
question.
On Jan 22, 2009, at 9:29 AM, patrickneazer wrote:
Good morning David and all:
Once again I find myself in the position of agreeing with David.
and, I would add the act of doing so does not cause me too much pain
(smile).
Being in a position to accomplish a task using adaptive technology
is a pretty nice thing. while companies can always improve ... and
Apple has done its share of improving, perfection is never the goal.
sometimes I feel Apple needs to be given more credit than they
receive. again, they are not perfect and I am not a bleeding Apple
person. however, credit for how far we have come in such a short
time needs to be acknowledged. Itunes anyone? the new IWork which a
few months ago was not even on the radar of usable? safari
improvements? again, there is always room for improvement though
knowing where we are also helps put things in perspective (grin).
I hope my agreeing with David causes him no future harm (grin).
On Jan 22, 2009, at 5:49 AM, David Poehlman wrote:
nice that we can though. What do those without assistive
technology do?
On Jan 22, 2009, at 3:29 AM, E.J. Zufelt wrote:
Good evening,
Thank for the info.
I don't really think that I should have to do anything special for
an application to remember where I last was when I leave and return.
Thanks,
Everett
On 22-Jan-09, at 4:14 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote:
Thereis also a fairly secure way of keeping your place in the
document, using hotspots. Hotspots are temporary for as long as
you have a document open in a particular session. They are like
bookmarks and you set them by pressing vo+shift plus a number 1
through to 0 in the top row of your keyboard. you probably need to
interact with the text first though. When you tab away and then
back to your document, press vo+ the number to which you have
previously assigned your hotspot and voiceover will announce line
number and word on which you land. I know this due to a kind
explanation of Esther's and other people on the list. Previously,
I didn't know how hotspots work. I find them useful in Preview,
and I will try them in other applications. For permanent results,
you need to explore bookmarks which you can also set in Preview
although I haven't played with them before. There probably will be
more info and Esther's original message in the discuss archive.
Take care Everett. Simon
On 22 Jan 2009, at 01:55, Mike Arrigo wrote:
Actually, the second one is already available. If maintaining the
same place is important to you, turn off cursor tracking.
On Jan 20, 2009, at 9:48 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote:
Good evening,
There are three significant feature enhancements that I believe
are necessary in Voiceover. I have sent these requests to [email protected]
and would strongly encourage you all to send in a message as
well supporting these requests. I would also love it if you
could forward this message to any Voiceover users that you know
who do not read this list.
1. Configuration options that are configurable on a per-
application basis.
2. The ability to move from one window to another (for example
Preview to Mail) and have VO remember where you wre in the
original document when you return.
3. The ability to skip the current sentence or paragraph while
VO is in continual reading mode.
Thanks,
Everett
Take good care and I wish you enough.
Love
Me
