Nicolas, I'm bringing the discussion back to the list, were I wanted
to keep it. It is only by mistake (damned webmail) that I replied to
you and not to OO.o in the message to which you answered below.

On Tue, May 31, 2005 12:10:04 PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: 
> 
> On Mar 31 mai 2005 11:51, Marco Fioretti a écrit :
> >
> >> On Mar 31 mai 2005 5:27, M. Fioretti a écrit :
> >>
> >> > You can do it with small material things which can be built
> >> > with *very* little space and money, or in "environments" where,
> >> > again unlike software, everybody plays by the same rules. But
> >> > you can't "release early and often" new fuels, cars,
> >> > microprocessors, or the extremely complex machinery needed to
> >> > build even one single working prototype. Not when you want to
> >> > actually build and sell many units.
> >>
> >> I stumbled yesterday on a documentary on the super sabre, where
> >> they were explaining the builder had been very open with
> >> competitors on all the problems encountered and the solutions
> >> found.
> >
> > May I ask you some concrete example, that is to quote exactly who
> > was open about what, why and in which way?  Just to be sure we are
> > talking of the same things.
> 
> They were finding new problems and new solutions.
> They shared them with the whole industry because they worried less about
> someone else cashing on their work than stalling the US war effort during
> the Corea war (technically their planes were inferior to the ones of their
> opponents).

What does "shared" mean above? Is it "shared" as in

"we will publish everything in the libraries of the whole world,
without patents or any other restriction, who cares if 5 years from
now the Russians copy the plane _legally_ or the Europeans build their
own version without buying it from any US company"?

or is it "shared" as in

"we will patent everything and then some, then sign a cross licensing
deal to use each other patent's for free (standard practice among
multinationals) for a limited time, and jump together to the throat
of everybody else trying to copy our technology, because:

   The minister said we better hurry, if he is kicked off, so we are,
      and
   We can overprice everything anyway making a cartel, since no
      external competitors would be accepted?

in other words, is that a proof of something?

> (in mass market terms : brand protection trumps secrecy/patent
> protection any time)

Right.
Little guy invents great thing.
Big company copies it because it wasn't patented.
Now both manufacture the same thing, but the small guy goes bankrupt
because everybody wants the big brand.

I know things would end bad for the little guy anyway (it costs too
much to sue) but in the patent-less scenario he would be screwed
_legally_, even if lawyers worked for free.

Ciao,
        Marco
 
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Fedora Core 3 for low memory      http://www.rule-project.org/

Don't you wish you had more energy... or less ambition?

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