On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 15:13:48 PM +0100, Gianluca Turconi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Indeed, the "Issuezilla's Issue" is perhaps as old as the OOo > project and, IMHO, it doesn't depend on the open source method (as > it may seem from the article) but on the working flow used inside > Sun (StarDivision) and how to conciliate it with the external aid > (QA, patches, add-ons, whatever-you-want).
In my experience, this is not SUN's fault, in the sense that *every* big FOSS project for the desktop uses some *zilla thing for these purposes, and *all* of them are designed for *programmers*, i.e. are too difficult to use for the majority of desktop users. > Nevertheless, the acknowledgment that the Project has a problem, it > doesn't mean the Project (or Open Source as a whole!) is a failure. Absolutely not. It just mean that the whole system cannot be described or managed anymore with attitudes and concepts straight from the 80's, when having any computers on your desktop could only mean that you were a professional programmer or a very competente and dedicated hobbist. > If we (the Volunteer's Community) sorry, but this is probably the biggest danger and misunderstanding (or illusion?) of all. And again, everything below applies both to OO.o and to any FOSS program. "We" and "the [oo.o] volunteers community" are two very different things nowadays. Being a regular user of OO.o or a regular member of these lists does NOT mean being an OO.o volunteer. I surely am not, and I have never seen it written anywhere that to subscribe here or to complain about an objective problem I must have contributed first, or commit to do it. Just tell me that this is instead the rule and I'll just unsubscribe, no problem, really. Saying "Volunteer's Community" when one instead means "only those who have time and skills to do stuff for *THIS* particular program" is terribly narrowmindend, to say the least. Too many hackers commit this error regularly. Imagine Mother Teresa coming here when she was still alive to say "I've found this bug in OO.o, please fix it soon, as it is it makes my work so much slower and we can't afford proprietary SW". Imagine how idiotic it would have been to say "please fix this yourself if it bothers you so much, here's the source". Obviously, I'm no Mother Teresa by any stretch of the imagination, but as long as my infinitely smaller gifts allow it, I volunteer to both the Free SW and the general human community. And I *have* to use Linux, Apache, Gnome things, KDE things, OO.o and lots of other software to volunteer for the community. But in OTHER projects. And that leaves NO time for me to do something which I would'nt be able to do anyway. That's why "we the volunteer community" "given enough eyes all bugs are shallow" and similar dogmas aren't valid anymore. Ciao, Marco -- Marco Fioretti mfioretti, at the server mclink.it Fedora Core 3 for low memory http://www.rule-project.org/ With the right to be informed goes the duty to seek information. Information does not simply occur; it has to be sought. PASTORAL INSTRUCTION "COMMUNIO ET PROGRESSIO" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]