On 2004-10-08 22:51, Kelly Fitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> �will participate in almost every  intellectual transaction 
> that goes on in the university.�  Calculus is generally considered part 
> of a liberal  education�truly educated people know something  
> significant about calculus.  Calculus is the study of rates,  and rates 
> are important to many fields.  Perlis argued that  computer science is 
> about process: Its specification, its  execution, its composition, and 
> its limitations.  And process  is important to everybody. "

This I can agree with and yes, I do believe that at a university level
computer skills and possible some high level programming skills should be
required. But as I understood the message that started this thread it was a
question about 8-14 year old students and here I don't think that programming
for programmings own sake is important (if someone use Agentsheets, which is
very nice, for explaining something I wouldn't object).

But if I look around and see what is happening at schools, I would prefer
that kids learn more fundamental things, and currently it looks like it
difficult enough to get the time and resources to teach these things. I do
believe that basic skills in math, physics, chemistry, biology, languages,
litterature is more important than programming for programmings sake.

If you use programming in a "natural" way to help the students learn about
biology then I think it's great (assuming that the programming part becomes
just a tool like a magnifier glass).

But as I read the first message it wasn't about using programming as a tool
but rather learning how to program in general.


                            jem
-- 
Jan Erik Mostr�m   www.mostrom.pp.se

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