On Monday, March 03, 2014 13:03:44 Craig Bergdorf wrote: > TWC is inherently bad in this region. Although a specific study has not > yet been done at 48, I'll bet you a panda once the basement is built up a > bit more and one is run it will fail. packet loss, inconsistent speeds, > random outages, the whole deal. A single (especially docsis) connection to > the internet can't be trusted for much, twc just lowers the bar for what is > deemed an "always on conenction". that being said, I don't think it's a > huge deal if ftp.synhak.org was down 5% of the time due to twc, or angry > panda attack. I do care if the website as a whole is down even 1% of the > time as it just looks unprofessional. The hybrid I suggested was just > offloading all file hosting over a few k or whatever makes sense from a > billing standpoint to the basement, but keeping all the thinking where it > can always speak. > > There are plenty of other options to host a reliable site for less (i > resell hosting myself with an SLA, and a synhak sized account would be > really cheap), but there are also cheaper workbenches to be had over the > ones that were built, however it's too late to replace them now (and why > when there far better, and nobody feels bad modifying them) There has been > a lot of work put into aws that would require being thrown away if moving > to a different hosting infrastructure. I'm sure lots more can be > offloaded, but I hope everything someone arriving off google would want > would be available always. > > Also, yes torrie, bad time to mention that, this convo was started at 21 > when people started asking "how hard is it to keep a website up? need help > or hosting or something?
Remember when we had Phong running on kevlar and we kept tripping the breaker in the Perkins room and network just wouldn't stay up and meeting minutes and accounting transparency stopped working for weeks at a time? Me too. Good times. I also remember asking those same people if they'd like to help but once I explained our requirements they tuned out and didn't contribute. > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Torrie Fischer <tdfisc...@hackerbots.net>wrote: > > On Monday, March 03, 2014 12:27:50 Torrie Fischer wrote: > > > On Monday, March 03, 2014 12:05:08 Craig Bergdorf wrote: > > > > or, if it's $200 and you know for a fact the space needs it right now, > > > > just > > > > grudgingly buy it and hold mild anger towards those that said it > > > > wasn't > > > > needed (sorry, in a mood). Unless (crosses fingers) this is meant as > > > > a > > > > way > > > > > > > > to test a new, functional system for the space approving purchases, if > > > > so: > > > I would really like to develop a finance committee for the space but I > > > do > > > not have the bandwidth, so I'm taking a very brute force approach to it > > > > by > > > > > asking discuss@ for expenditures. > > > > > > > Is there a budget for the space that includes consumables like toilet > > > > paper > > > > that any member is allowed to see / comment on? What percentage of > > > > the > > > > remainder of that does this $200 represent? > > > > > > Yes, thats the $50 maintenance budget. > > > > > > https://synhak.org/wiki/Maintenance_Budget > > > > > > This $200 is an investment into our monthly AWS budget, which is a > > > > separate > > > > > entry that gets wrapped up into accounts payable, which is currently > > > estimated at $435. This $200 would therefore be 31% of the estimated > > > $635 > > > total, should this be agreed upon. > > > > > > > As I mentioned before, I think this is a great idea, and the lower > > > > price > > > > > > tag just makes it better. I also have mentioned we should be paying > > > > more > > > > > > for internet so we can supplement our real host with some old > > > > fashioned > > > > house file servers (and a webcam/open sign/phone that doesn't require > > > > so > > > > > > much maintenance). > > > > > > Open sign and the webcam don't need much maintenance once they're > > > > configured > > > > > and left untouched. The recent synhak.org infrastructure rebuilding I > > > finished that involves disposable web servers removes a lot of the > > > > failure > > > > > points we previously suffered with the system. I was hoping to work on > > > removing a bunch more failure points on the client side, but not today. > > > > > > > If a call for comments is up, my only concern is one of not knowing if > > > > the > > > > > > amount we have for monthly improvements has included all the > > > > consumables I > > > > > > would think higher priority (such as toilet paper). I am also > > > > surprised > > > > > > that there is a penny left in this fund after 2 months of building. > > > > > > Most of the buildout was in the form of membership dues credit. For some > > > reason, nobody has actually asked for any reimbursement yet. I thought I > > > > was > > > > > very transparent on how much money we had available for reimbursement, > > > > how > > > > > much membership credit was available, and what the difference was > > > between > > > credit and reimbursement. > > > > > > SYNHAK, Inc has so far spent $21.29 on four floodlights, and $22.15 on > > > > some > > > > > kitchen supplies. That is it. I'm serious. > > > > For giggles, here's our checking account from December 1st 2013 to today: > > > > http://i.imgur.com/z3rOjib.png > > > > I'm happy to explain any entries :) > > > > > Heck, I've had $150 in SYNHAK reimbursement cash on my person every > > > > single > > > > > day I was at the space over the last two months. > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Torrie Fischer > > > > > > <tdfisc...@hackerbots.net>wrote: > > > > > On Monday, March 03, 2014 11:35:51 Justin Herman wrote: > > > > > > I agree with Andrew, > > > > > > > > > > > > I hold several concerns about this proposal and think we need to > > > > > > evaluate > > > > > > the needs of the infrastructure. > > > > > > > > > > If you've got "several concerns", what are those concerns? I too can > > > > > claim > > > > > to > > > > > be "concerned" about something and not actually say why. > > > > > > > > > > Instead of doing any useful synhak work today or tomorrow, I'll be > > > > > producing a > > > > > technical report that shows why this investment will benefit the > > > > hacker > > > > > > > community we aim to support. > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Andrew Buczko > > > > > > > > > > <a4s...@dsprototyping.com>wrote: > > > > > > > WAT? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first you said it was $1.60 > > > > > > > Then $16.40 > > > > > > > Now it's $123.10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Torrie Fischer > > > > > > > > > > <tdfisc...@hackerbots.net>wrote: > > > > > > >> Previous thread: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/003393.html > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> I'd like to propose that we spend $200 to reserve the two > > > > t1.micro > > > > > > > > >> instances > > > > > > >> in that proposal for the purpose of web servers. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Our current AWS expenditure is still ~$80/mo. Spending $200 up > > > > > > >> front > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > >> reduce that bill by $16.40/mo and keep our infrastructure > > > > expenses > > > > > > > > >> low > > > > > > >> for the > > > > > > >> next three years. Thats an extra $16.40 we can invest elsewhere > > > > > > >> with > > > > > > >> a > > > > > > >> break > > > > > > >> even point of 12 months. > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > > >> Discuss mailing list > > > > > > >> Discuss@synhak.org > > > > > > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Discuss mailing list > > > > > > > Discuss@synhak.org > > > > > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Discuss mailing list > > > > > Discuss@synhak.org > > > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Discuss mailing list > > > Discuss@synhak.org > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > Discuss@synhak.org > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
