I recognize that it's not a proposal, I'm just discussing a concern I
have before we're a month and a half into discussion about the topic.
I understand the problem that this is attempting to address. I
understand pretty much everything that's been brought up in discussion
about this.
I just want to know how often you, Andrew, personally think it'll get used.
Chris
On 4/2/2014 1:58 PM, a l wrote:
This isn't a proposal yet. Just further discussion on an Item that came up
at the meeting.
The problem we're trying to solve is large format wood handling. When we
enclose the machine shop/tool room we either have to expand its footprint,
get something like a panel saw, or arrange the table saw so wood can be
outfed through a window/door.
This is justified by concerns for people who want to build their own, or
expand SynHak's work bench population. The other concern was that once the
shop is enclosed there won't be enough room to flip a 4x8' sheet of
anything.
I agree $1000 dollars is a lot to spend on something that won't get a lot
of use. Many of the kits come with everything but the saw so we could
conceivably dedicate one of our many circular saws to this purpose and save
some money. Perhaps a stop-gap solution is, we build the frame for a pane
saw but use guide boards rather than the expensive rails and counterweight
arrangements. This requires more finesse on the operators part but if it's
an infrequently used too $40 in lumber might be all we are willing to spend
on it.
As far as the foot print concern, many kits and commercial products have
shortened or collapsible arms so it only takes up the full 8' when there's
a board in it. All examples I've suggested are vertical with beds tilted at
high angles so they could be stored against a wall or otherwise placed out
of the way.
regards,
Andrew L
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Chris Egeland <ch...@chrisegeland.com>wrote:
How often do you foresee such a saw being used? We have three or four
bandsaws, two tablesaws, countless circular saws, a scroll saw, probably a
reciprocating saw or two, and countless other machines that can be used to
cut wood. I rarely ever observe any of them being used. Granted, I'm not
spending 30 hours a week at the space anymore, either.
I ask because if you're talking about something that's going to take up a
significant portion of floor space and cost us $1000 or so, I would like to
know the answers to these questions before providing input on such a
proposal.
Chris
On 4/2/2014 1:22 PM, a l wrote:
The price difference for the heavy duty panel saws mostly looks to be
quick: change fittings for the saw mount, crosscut capacity, extended
length, and various cutting guides like lasers and mid-bed clamps. There
are a few kits and add-ons that allow for miter cuts but most panel saws
seem to be limited to cross- and rip-cuts.
If we want to do complicated cuts perhaps something like a shop-bot is
something we should be considering. Some of the kits do offer router mounts
but I don't know if their rails are designed for 2-axis motion.
-Andrew L
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Torrie Fischer <tdfisc...@hackerbots.net>
<tdfisc...@hackerbots.net>wrote:
On Wednesday, April 02, 2014 02:21:17 a l wrote:
Well the lumber yard quality ones do start at 3-5k. But they have long
beds/arms and can do off angles. The cheap kits are limited to 90* cuts
for
the most part and don't have as good of bearings or dust collection
options.
If I understand correctly, to get non-square cuts, the saw itself usually
rotates?
I wonder if we could rotate the wood instead by having a ramp of sorts that
can be clamped down at various angles.
I think there's a balance to be struck, some of the wood working forums
suggest buying a kit for the bearings and rails since a bunch of the
plans
for sale rely on u bolts and emt conduit which may not hold tolerances if
someone is ripping the length of a sheet of plywood.
Regards,
Andrew L
On Apr 2, 2014 12:19 AM, "Torrie Fischer" <tdfisc...@hackerbots.net>
<tdfisc...@hackerbots.net>
wrote:
On Tuesday, April 01, 2014 21:25:42 a l wrote:
Before I had to leave the meeting early there was discussion about
how
to
retrofit the machine shop to limit dust &c. In that discussion the
topic
of
plywood/large format wood handling came up and a panel saw like what
lumber
yards have was suggested. New/Used ones apparently cost thousands of
dollars so I sought out a DIY solution.
I've found a few kits that come in varying degrees of fully assembled
with
prices between ~$300-$1000. There are also a few designs for sale
from
backissues of woodworking magazines($10/issue). Given enough time
staring
at the ones at the home improvement store and pictures online we
could
probably make our own without buying plans. Or should we save our
time
and
just buy a kit?
At any rate I think it's a viable solution.
I did think it was a bit odd to hear that one would cost $5k.
Shouldn't be too hard to build one using some rails a saw mount and
frame.
We're all about building stuff like that anyways, so its odd that we'd
think
to buy one.
http://panelsawsrus.com/
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DIY-Sliding-Panel-Saw-Hardware-Kit-/281191079778
http://www.widgetworksunlimited.com/Panel_Saw_DIY_Frame_Kit_p/ww-panel_saw
-d>
iy.htm
http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2082569/33113/Safety-Speed-Cut-Panel-Pro->
2
-Saw-Model-PRO2K.aspx http://plansnow.com/dn3099.html
http://www.finewoodworking.com/workshop/tip/build-your-own-panel-saw.aspx
http://www.rockler.com/woodworking/Panel-Saw-Kit
If someone is vehemently against spending the cash and spare circular
saw
on one we could also situate the table saw near the garage door-side
of
the
shop and just open the planned( they are planned aren't they?) double
doors and put an outfeed table in the hallway when we need to make
big
cuts.
happy hacking!
Andrew L
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