RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

[John Mason]

I'm not a lawyer but I would think that if the content is public (no login required, etc) that it could easily fall into a possible "free-use". Otherwise, the caching servers and browsers that save and storage the content and images could be breaking the copyright by default as well. Of course, some copyright statements may have that exception written in somewhere. There's certainly a blurred line with this.   John   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:16 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING! Good question... and I am not sure of a good answer on that one. I've always wondered how Google and the WayBackMachine get away with it and call it "fair-use". -dhs Dean H. Saxe, CEH [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Free speech exercised both individually and through a free press, is a necessity in any country where people are themselves free." -- Theodore Roosevelt, 1918 Find out about my Hike for Discovery at www.fullfrontalnerdity.com/hfd On Jun 8, 2006, at 2:05 PM, John Mason wrote: First, I'm not advocating data mining. From the system admin side of things, it generally annoys me, but just out of curiosity what is the legal difference between data mining a public site and a search engine bot that indexes the content and images. Seems to me they would be doing the same thing? John [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:25 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING! Uh, you may have some copyright issues if you steal the images. -dhs Dean H. Saxe [EMAIL PROTECTED] "[T]he people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." --Hermann Goering, Hitler's Reich-Marshall at the Nuremberg Trials Find out about my Hike for Discovery at www.fullfrontalnerdity.com/hfd On Jun 8, 2006, at 10:16 AM, Robert Reil wrote: Hi all. Good to see all at the meeting last night. ------------------------------------------------------- Data Mining................. I am gearing up to do some data mining from some sites. Preech told me about <cfhttp> to make this work. You gurus out there if you have a second. Do you see any problems with mining the content of: http://www.alpha-sports.com/suzuki_parts.htm The site lists years, then models, then categorys for that yr/mdl, then lists a picture, and a list of items, part numbers, and notes. I need to get ALL this data for all years, models, categories, images, item number, item desc, part no, and notes. Does this site seem friendly enough to start my journey towards this required result? Any rough draft hints on where to start? This will me my first CF code creating adventure. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:24 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: Able Commerce I worked with the CF version back in 1999. Chris From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Paul Morton Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:34 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: Able Commerce Cody, I'm surprised to hear that. My understanding is that the CF version has been around a while. That's a good point for me to get clarified. I did hear (from an Able Commerce employee) that the current development team tends to develop improvements on the DotNet platform first and apply the changes to the CF version latter. It looks like the client is leaning towards the CF version right now just due to the lower learning curve to modify source code. They have no experience in either technology but are much more impressed with the ease of understandability in the CF side. Thanks for the feedback. Paul Morton -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Cody Wehunt Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:07 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: Able Commerce Paul, Also keep in mind that the CF version is fairly new compared to the Dot Net (old ASP) version. On a project I worked on in the past I found it odd they actually sold a beta. But the good thing is I think for the money you can definitely get some great built in functionality. Cody From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Paul Morton Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:05 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: Able Commerce I am interested in feedback on Able Commerce . I have a client that is very interested in moving to that package, and would welcome your thoughts on any support issues, performance, or implementation issues. Any thoughts on the Dot Net version vs. the CFMX version would also be helpful. 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