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I have renamed this email as shown so that those who want to help can reply to the other thread, and those that want to discuss legal politics (I don't) can discuss it on this thread. ******************************** So what's the deal...? Is the subject of more help due to questionable legalities from some of YOUR perspectives negating the ability to provide help and direction? I have gotten very little help (those that have helped thank you very much) but I sure have gotten A LOT of UNSOLICITED FLACK about the moral issues of what we are trying to do. Help is available everywhere. Some places are better helps than others. You guys are near, uniquely qualified, mostly friendly, and in general I hear helpful. I hope that things work out with us all as I am trying to find a way to get rolling in the CF language and community. But honestly..., I'm getting a bad taste in my mouth digging through the politics today to try to glean some wisdom from the gurus about starting down a road that I need to travel. I'm trying hard to learn be patient, and I need solutions. I'm desperate to find them and my pockets are not deep. Some day they will be and I can hire folks from the list to work full time if need be, but not now. So for now, I grovel and beg for kind assistance. I could say more, but... in an attempt to humble myself... I digress... Ok Im off my soap box. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mischa Uppelschoten ext 10 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 3:48 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: re[2]: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING! If you publish something, it's not automatically copyrighted, it has to be somewhat unique. Your blog is certainly copyrighted because it's unique/a work of art; your blog is not copyrighted simply because you publish it. The fair use clause in copyright law also relates to how the content is used. If Robert is using that data for research, he is fine (however, the site specifically prohibits using that data outside it's catalog, but that's an aside). The part numbers and descriptions may have been publicised on microfiche one time, but if a company went through great pains to digitize it and make it available/searchable, it's not necessarily there for the taking and I think it would be considered a work of art. If a search engine spiders your site and makes it available through it's search mechanism, it does so to direct traffic to your site and not because it's in the same business as you are. The content is used for a different purpose and therefore it may be fair use. (Obviously I'm not a lawyer :-) /m > The content on my site is public, but it is also copyrighted by the fact that its been published. The line is pretty clear. -dhs Dean H. Saxe, CEH [EMAIL PROTECTED] "[U]nconstitutional behavior by the authorities is constrained only by the peoples' willingness to contest them" --John Perry Barlow Find out about my Hike for Discovery at www.fullfrontalnerdity.com/hfd On Jun 8, 2006, at 3:00 PM, John Mason wrote: I'm not a lawyer but I would think that if the content is public (no login required, etc) that it could easily fall into a possible "free-use". Otherwise, the caching servers and browsers that save and storage the content and images could be breaking the copyright by default as well. Of course, some copyright statements may have that exception written in somewhere. There's certainly a blurred line with this. John -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:16 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING! Good question... and I am not sure of a good answer on that one. I've always wondered how Google and the WayBackMachine get away with it and call it "fair-use". -dhs Dean H. Saxe, CEH [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Free speech exercised both individually and through a free press, is a necessity in any country where people are themselves free." -- Theodore Roosevelt, 1918 Find out about my Hike for Discovery at www.fullfrontalnerdity.com/hfd On Jun 8, 2006, at 2:05 PM, John Mason wrote: First, I'm not advocating data mining. From the system admin side of things, it generally annoys me, but just out of curiosity what is the legal difference between data mining a public site and a search engine bot that indexes the content and images. Seems to me they would be doing the same thing? John [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:25 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING! Uh, you may have some copyright issues if you steal the images. -dhs Dean H. Saxe [EMAIL PROTECTED] "[T]he people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is to tell them theyare being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." --Hermann Goering, Hitler's Reich-Marshall at the Nuremberg Trials Find out about my Hike for Discovery at www.fullfrontalnerdity.com/hfd On Jun 8, 2006, at 10:16 AM, Robert Reil wrote: Hi all. Good to see all at the meeting last night. ------------------------------------------------------- Data Mining................. I am gearing up to do some data mining from some sites. Preech told me about <cfhttp> to make this work. You gurus out there if you have a second. Do you see any problems with mining the content of: http://www.alpha-sports.com/suzuki_parts.htm The site lists years, then models, then categorys for that yr/mdl, then lists a picture, and a list of items, part numbers, and notes. I need to get ALL this data for all years, models, categories, images, item number, item desc, part no, and notes. Does this site seem friendly enough to start my journey towards this required result? Any rough draft hints on where to start? This will me my first CF code creating adventure. Robert P. Reil Managing Director, Motorcyclecarbs.com, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:24 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: Able Commerce I worked with the CF version back in 1999. Chris From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Morton Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:34 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: Able Commerce Cody, I'm surprised to hear that. My understanding is that the CF version has been around a while. That's a good point for me to get clarified. I did hear (from an Able Commerce employee) that the current development team tends to develop improvements on the DotNet platform first and apply the changes to the CF version latter. It looks like the client is leaning towards the CF version right now just due to the lower learning curve to modify source code. They have no experience in either technology but are much more impressed with the ease of understandability in the CF side. Thanks for the feedback. Paul Morton -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cody Wehunt Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:07 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: Able Commerce Paul, Also keep in mind that the CF version is fairly new compared to the Dot Net (old ASP) version. On a project I worked on in the past I found it odd they actually sold a beta. But the good thing is I think forthe money you can definitely get some great built in functionality. Cody From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Morton Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:05 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: [ACFUG Discuss] OT: Able Commerce I am interested in feedback on Able Commerce . I have a client that is very interested in moving to that package, and would welcome your thoughts on any support issues, performance, or implementation issues. Any thoughts on the Dot Net version vs. the CFMX version would also be helpful. 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