On 2016-11-15 18:28, Matthias Kirschner wrote:
* EXCELLENT: Free Software only and on all levels, no exceptions.

* GOOD: Free Software as a complete, useful, and fully supportable product.
  Support available for Free Software version.

The difference between this definition is and "EXCELLENT" is not clear to me.

EXCELLENT excludes something:
no exceptions

And GOOD requires support (shouldn't EXCELLENT also?):
Support available for Free Software version.

The support sentence seems to indicate there may be a free and a not-completely-free version of the same product. But it isn't spelled out explicitly. Thus making it
difficult to know where to even start thinking about drawing the line.

* ACCEPTABLE: Proprietary interfaces to proprietary systems and applications, especially complex systems that require complex APIs/libraries/SDKs, as long
  as the above is still met.

* BAD: Essential / important functionality only available proprietary, critical functionality missing from Free Software (one example for an essential
  functionality was LDAP connector).

One problem that I see with this is: that which is "essential" or "important" depends, for a large part, on how people use the software/service. E.g. what might seem an important feature (just "nice to have") at the beginning of a project may turn out
to be one of the most compelling reasons for using it.

* EVIL: Fully proprietary, but claiming to be Free Software / Open Source
  Software.

To me this seems to be fraudulent.

I'm thinking about food labelling legislation where there are very clear definitions given for some food stuffs. Just using a label/name that has a legal definition
without meeting its criteria is illegal in that case.

Maybe the free software definition would be interesting to try to work with political
representatives to get into (local) law too?

Just as an example from food legislation: yoghurt. In Dutch law, if you call a product yoghurt it has to contain _living_ bacteria of the Lactobacillus family. Furthermore there's three categories: skimmed ("magere"), semi-skimmed ("halfvolle"), whole (not-skimmed, "volle"). These have upper and lower bounds on their fat content. Not adhering to these criteria while still labelling it as such makes it illegal to sell
these products.

**Now I would like to know from you:** what is your first reaction on this? Would you like to add something? Do you have ideas what should be included in a checklist for such a test? Would you be interested to help us to evaluate how
good some offers are on such a scale?

Idea seems good, the criteria as of right now are not clear enough IMO.

To summarise, I believe it was a mistake to think about businesses as a whole
before

This sounds a bit like it being counter-productive to judging an entire person as good/evil instead of their behaviour. But at the same time if you start judging behaviour it can give you an overview of how one imperfect company performs when compared to another company. I.e. when done properly you can make more detailed comparisons than perfect/non-perfect company. Which given the large amounts of imperfect companies seems a necessary category to be able to compare within.

and that if we want to take the next big steps we should think about
Free Software business offers / activities – at least until we have a better name for what I described above. We should help companies that they are not deluded by people just claiming something is Free Software, but give them the
tools to check themselves.

I think people/companies being deluded by other companies to be more likely than by individuals not operating on behalf of a company. (The profit motive seems to be the motivator for conning people about this subject, just like it is for "fair trade", "organic" and a whole lot of other labels people think are good.)

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Met vriendelijke groet,
With kind regards,
Giel van Schijndel
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