On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, E L wrote: > Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:34:26 +0200 > From: E L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: discussions@hamakor.org.il > Subject: Re: Vaya research corp. > > Well let Vaya worry about that:) > We should worry about hamakor:)
This approach is misleading. Currently we are obligated to Hamakor alone. But accepting the shares means we will be obligated to Vaya Research Corp. as well. Picture the following scenario: Some company pushes a research which says that the Total Cost of Ownership of FOSS is way higher than non-FOSS. Hamakor does a "Check the facts" campaign. Hamakor claims this research was done by a researcher sponsored by this company, and brings results from a research done/sponsored by Vaya. The press makes a fool of Hamakor, and discredit Vaya's reputation, when they show that Hamakor own part of Vaya. > > Ely > > On 12/21/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Quoting E L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > I think it's very clear that Vaya is opensource oriented, > > > so I don't really think it matters. Share holders in every company have > > POV > > > the problem starts when it's a big company which sponser a whole > > research > > > show it as objective while it's very clear that it is not. > > > > Vaya field of reserach is FOSS but it is not obligated by any mean to show > > that > > "FOSS rulz!!!1" ;) > > Hamakor on the other hand was structured to promote FOSS and thus has > > interests > > in showing the above. It thus maybe shouldn't matter much to Hamakor but > > this > > is a conflict that might damage the Vaya efforts. > > > > Dotan > > > > > > > > > > But again the biggest issue which I didn't see anyone address is > > > What would hamakor gain from having those shares? > > > > > > Ely > > > > > > On 12/21/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > A research company that has share holders with specific interest in > > the > > > > results > > > > of its research might find its results are in question and might be > > > > concidered > > > > altered by the fact it has share holders with known interest. > > > > This point leads me to think that holding shares in the Vaya company > > might > > > > prove > > > > to demage this companys integrity. > > > > I guess we all know the stories about MS funded research that found > > FOSS > > > > has > > > > higher TCO then proprietry software. Speculations were enough to > > damage > > > > the > > > > integrity of those results in the eyes of many. We might find we do > > the > > > > same to > > > > the Vaya research company results. > > > > Am I going to far with speculations? > > > > > > > > Dotan > > > > > > > > Quoting Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E L wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Lets say that all of this is correct and there is no legal or > > ethical > > > > > > problem with it, > > > > > > there is one thing I don't get. What does hamakor gain from it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaya research was established to promote research into areas that > > the > > > > > Amuta tries to promote. Helping Vaya corp. is therefore in the best > > > > > interest of the Amuta. > > > > > > > > > > By being a registered stock holder of the corp. we give the research > > > > > institute credibility that will help it perform it's function. > > > > > > > > > > Gilad > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Codefidence. A name you can trust(tm) > > > > > Web: http://codefidence.com | SIP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > IL: +972.9.8650475 ext. 201 | Fax: +972.9.8850643 > > > > > US: +1.212.2026643 ext. 201 | Cel: +972.52.8260388 > > > > > > > > > > "I am Jack's Overwritten Stack Pointer" > > > > > -- Hackers Club, the movie > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > Orna. -- Orna Agmon http://ladypine.org/ http://haifux.org/~ladypine/ ICQ: 348759096 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
