הייתי שמח להשיב נקודתית, אבל אני לא מתכוון להתייחס ברצינות לשום דבר שנכתב באנגלית ברשימת דיוור של העמותה ודוחה על הסף כל ניסיון להסיט את הדיון. היו פניות לרשימה זו ובאופן פרטי לפני שכתבתי את הבלוג שלי. הבעיה היא לא מה שכתבתי בבלוג שלי, ומה שכתבתי מביע את עמדתי האישית אחרי שאספתי התרשמויות ועל בסיס ההיכרות שלי עם הנוגעים בדבר.
לא יודע אם התייחסת או לא, אני מניח שלא, אבל אתה מוזמן לקרא גם את התגובה של קובי לבלוג שלי. הכפילות בנוגע לפרוייקטים האחרים מוזרה אף היא, אבל מכיוון שאני לא בקיא בפרטים לא התייחסתי לעניין זה. התייחסתי לשורה התחתונה והשורה התחתונה היא (במידה מסויימת) סטירת לחי לקהילה ולכל ההשקעה העצומה של אנשים פרטיים עד כה. אני נגעלתי לראות את זה, כמו שאני נגעל לראות פה מכתבי שרשרת של גרפומאנים באנגלית. אם זה מביא לך תחושה של הישג וגאווה על הפעילות שלך לקידום הקוד הפתוח בישראל, שיהיה לבריאות. אורי On 2/1/06, Nadav Har'El <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Feb 01, 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about "Re: ISOC-IL Kol Kore": > > > > Though it seem like noone on this list is impressed by the way things went > > I'll > > recommand Uri Sharf blog entry about the subject. > > http://linmagazine.co.il/opinion/isoc_hamakor_moodle_questions > > Whoever said that "the pen is mightier than the sword" had someone like Uri > Sharf in mind. In his diatribe, Uri chose his target first, and then > mercilessly attacked it without letting the facts confuse him. > > Here are some facts for the poor souls that actually believed Uri's baseless > attack actually makes sense: > > 1. The ISOC-IL board allocated this huge (in our standards) sum of money, > 260,000 shekels, and the final decision was in the hands of ISOC-IL's > board. > We (Eddy and myself) were there to advise and held a minority voting power, > but not more than that. The specific project in question in fact was not > highly recommended by Eddy and myself to be on the final selection list > (but again, this doesn't matter - it's not OUR money and it wasn't our > decision). > > 2. The whole idea of a "Kol Kore" is that people send their proposals, and > these, and only these, are judged. This is not being "rosh katan", but > rather the only way to do a clean, honest, michraz, without the risk of > this turning into a corrupt scheme to give out money to our friends. > The selection committee found ourselves several times wishing that we had > proposals from other people (when we saw we had a bad proposal for a very > good cause) or proposals of certain missing types, but there's nothing we > could do about that - the most we could legally do was to ask certain > proposers to fix their proposals because we couldn't fund their full > proposal. The plain fact is that Dovix did not write a proposal, but the > Technion's people did. If ISOC-IL wanted to support Moodle (and they did, > and this *is* a good cause) they had to do it through the Technion, not > through Dovix. These are the rules of a micharaz! > > 3. Similarly, Uri's suggestions that this project should have funded > translating KDE or OpenOffice has two fatal problems. First, nobody > sent proposals for such projects (yes, I know this must somehow be > Hamakor's fault as well... ;-) ). Secondly, according to the rules > of the "kol kore", projects that dealt with the Internet somehow were > favored, so even if a suggestion to translate KDE again were suggested, > it might not have won. > > 4. Uri's hubris and condescension reached new hights: he *must* be right, > and all the members of the selection committee were wrong, and not just > wrong - they are all corrupt idiots, paraphrasing on what he wrote. > It doesn't matter if some of the most respected members of the Israeli > Internet community (the ISOC-IL board) and two experienced free software > developers sat on that committee, because only Uri knows which projects we > should have selected.... > > Uri assumes that we didn't know that Moodle was already translated. We > DID know that, and this was even mentioned in the Technion's proposal. > But the claim (backed by actual reports "from the field") was that the > translation was not good enough and incomplete. There were also claims > that other improvements were necessary before the Israeli universities > can adopt Moodle, which don't have to do only with Hebrew. > Additionally, funding this project means that the Technion finally adopts > Moodle, and hopefully will be followed by other Israeli universities. This > is certainly a good cause (if I had a nickel for every complaint I heard > about Mozilla-compatibility of Israeli university sites, I'd be rich). > > Similarly, we knew about the existance of a Hebrew translation of the > EZPublish end-user interface, but that's not what the proposal was about - > it was about the *site developer* interface, documentation, and site, > all of them haven't been translated yet. And we also knew about the > existance of Wikibooks, of course (dah!) - again, Prof. Sheizaf Rafaeli's > project is *not* about recreating what already exists, but adding what > he says is missing, and about making this idea a reality in Israel, rather > than just a possibility. > > The committee's memebers all worked without pay on this, and spent a lot > of hours of deliberations (and long drives) to complete the selection > process. Saying that we didn't know anything, or that we didn't care, is > not fair. > > 5. As this was an ISOC-IL project, and their money, we were bound by their > rules, which were dictated by normal "michrazim" rules. The discussions > of the selection committee could not be made public - certainly not on > the Hamakor mailing list - and this could not become a democratic vote > on which project to select. I am sure that the entire proceedings are > open to the ISOC-IL comptrollers committee, but we (Hamakor) have no > business asking them to publish every detail - certainly not in our > mailing list. > > And finally, when ISOC-IL volunteers to give out 260,000 to free software, > which is the first michraz of this type and certainly of this magnitude, > Uri has a lot of "chuzpa" and rudeness to ridicule it. Uri - you would have > all of us a much bigger favor if instead of this campaign, you would have > run a campaign to get more people to send in proposals for this kol kore, > or the next one (if, Uri willing, there will be a next one). > > I wonder what Uri thought of Google's "summer of code", which followed > more-or-less the same rules. But the answer is clear - he thinks that > Google is "do no evil" and Hamakor is "the root of all evil" - it doesn't > matter what we actually do. Well, he has the right to feel that way, but > we MUSTN'T agree with him on that. > > > Just for the protocol - I take this opportunity to officially declare I no > > longer have interest to run for board position. > > Your declaration is so out of place, that I am in a loss for words... > Because you don't agree with the way ISOC-IL decided to allocate *their* > money, you don't want to run for *Hamakor's* board? Or because you don't > agree with Hamkor's board decision to send myself and Eddi to help ISOC-IL, > you don't want to replace this board? You're not making ANY sense. > Apparently you were just looking for an excuse not to run for board. > Congradulations, now you found one. > > -- > Nadav Har'El | Wednesday, Feb 1 2006, 4 Shevat 5766 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] |----------------------------------------- > Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |A messy desk is a sign of a messy mind. > http://nadav.harel.org.il |An empty desk is a sign of an empty mind. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Regards, Uri Sharf -------------------- Ed., Linmagazine http://linmagazine.co.il Linux, Open Source and Free Culture
