Hi Lior!

On Wednesday 23 Sep 2009 20:43:52 Lior Kesos wrote:
> I think the main issue, which is even more important then security is
> the size of the potential volunteering base.
> This issue was demonstrated lately on the work on august penguins site
> and the work on the hamakor site.
> I (Drupal Geek and wearer of many drupal shirts) wanted to help build
> the Hamakor site in Drupal, but eventually Gilad was fed up of me
> being to busy to actually contribute and thus built it in wordpress.
> They are WAY more people that can help out based on wordpress and I
> believe that this should be done in the simplest CMS around with the
> biggest user base(hence wordpress).

If I understand you correctly, you say that we should pick up the dominant 
solution with the largest user base. However, I can say the same about 
dominant solutions in other fields such as PHP, MySQL, or Microsoft Windows. 
"Everyone knows Windows, so that's what we should use this because it's the 
dominant solution."

Brain-share in the market is an important consideration, but not the only one. 
It's not hard to train people in adding new posts to a different CMS - it's 
usually very simple. But we should not give in to the prevalence of WordPress 
(or whatever) and not consider solutions that are better, just because they 
are less popular. 

Please let me know if I understood you.

> There are many people that can subscribe to security rss for wordpress
> or upgrade the plugin, I think that we are missing is people that will
> create content and there are many people with that affiliation in the
> wordpress community.

From my experience, eventually it ends up with very few people actively 
maintaining the back-end. I've been trying to get people to clean up spam from 
some of the community's MediaWikis (wiki.python.org.il, wiki.osdc.org.il, 
wiki.perl.org.il ,etc.) and so far I've done the lion's share of the work.

At once point on eskimo (the old host of iglu.org.il) someone installed a PHP-
BB instance under spread.linux.org.il and he didn't have time to update it 
even after I asked him to. I ended up having to completely disable the domain 
there. As expected, there was little there, so not a lot of harm was done.

Regards,

        Shlomi Fish

> My 2 (suprising) cents
> Lior
> 
> On Sep 23, 2009, at 6:44 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> >> Drupal, although somewhat maintained would be to heavy for the
> >> cause...
> >> WordPress, although pretty simple can be very powerful and cover
> >> almost all
> >> needs
> >
> > Maybe, but I:
> >
> > 1. Will need to install many plugins.
> >
> > 2. Will need to remember to religiously keep it up-to-date, or hope
> > that
> > Debian Stable will. WordPress had many vulnerabilities in the past
> > due to
> > "sloppy" coding. "sloppy" is in quotes because it is far too easy to
> > write
> > such dangerous code in PHP. We can easily get hit by a worm or a
> > specialised
> > hacker or something, and I'd prefer to avoid it.
> 
> Lior Kesos - http://www.linnovate.net
> Linnovate - Community Infrastructure Care
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