At 12:08 PM 7/2/2010 +0200, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
Hello,From time to time this mailing list is getting very unpleasant to work in because some old disagreements, and because some people are starting to get really nasty. Here's a reminder of the current packaging situation, and a few rules I suggest, for the benefit of all 1. Python <= 2.7 contains Distutils 2. Distutils is frozen, and won't evolve anymore 3. Setuptools is built on Distutils 4. Distribute forks Setuptools for various reasons. If you disagree with this choice, there's no need to send a mail here, because this is done. You can send me a private mail, but don't send a mail here because things are always getting nasty afterwards. Make sure to read the archives first, to understand why it was done. 5. Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora are using Distribute rather than Setuptools. If you find differences in the behavior, you can send a mail in this list, so we can fix Distribute. If you disagree with the distros choice, there's no need to send a mail here, because this is done. You can send *them* a mail, or tell them you disagree with this choice. Of course, the most effective behavior would be to work on having Distribute fixed if you find an issue, but that's up to you. 6. Distutils2 is being built, and has its own mailing list now. Distutils2 will replace Distutils in Python 3.2 or 3.3. It' s built on the various PEPs that were accepted lately, and any help is welcome.. The list is here: http://groups.google.fr/group/the-fellowship-of-the-packaging, and is moderated. 7. New members of the lists will not know the situation, so they won't be able to follow these rules of course. But people that are hanging around here for years can apply them. Of course this is just a series of suggestion. You can disagree with all these rules if you want, but I think they need to be applied in this mailing-list for the benefit of all.
Isn't it interesting how these rules prohibit open disagreement or criticism (or even discussion!) of distribute and related matters, but *not* setuptools?
I mean, if I realized that as the maintainer of a package that people were openly criticizing here, I could just post a list of rules to the SIG and prohibit it, I might've done that five years ago. ;-) (Nah, not really. But I'm certainly amused by how you've suddenly become concerned with "tone" in the SIG as soon as you get ONE person who's unhappy with distribute.)
On a separate note, I'm curious why discussion of Distutils2 development is not in a formal Python SIG, such as the Distutils-SIG.
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